Lost *spoilers*

I love how Polar Bears walking between two islands using Underground Tunnels "makes sense"

*sigh*

I can't decide if i want to catch up on the episodes i've missed.
 
I thought Desmond bent the tree to make sure the lightning didn't hit Claire or something. I didn't really pay attention to this part because I was explaining to my parents what happened in the episode.

Desmond made a simple lightning rod because he knew her roof was going to get hit. Nothing sci-fi about a lightning rod. :)

I seriously doubt that they only have one boat. They probably just didn't want Sayid and co. to come to the other island. If they didn't have their own boat, how would they have gotten to the other island to take The Elizabeth in the first place?

They came over in the boat they gave Michael, of course. :) I'm sure you're right about them having multiple boats though. They're probably just stressed about the castaways being able to get to the Others' island.

As for the time travel bit, you guys are being intentionally BLIND. And as for me refuting the other theories so far, you only have to read my posts since we've seen Desmond return. I feel like I'm talking to my cat, but I'll make one more try to get this through some of the thick heads out there.

1. Desmond knows about future events.

2. He is not at all surprised that he knows these things when he's never known of future events before.

3. He realizes that he shouldn't be letting everyone know that HE knows about future events.

Time travel is a PERFECT fit for the facts. Is it right? Maybe not. Do I like the idea in the context of the show? Not really. Are there any other viable theories yet? Not a single ONE. Everyone who thinks Desmond had a vision or deja vu need only go back and read the three facts we have so far. Those theories don't work.

Again, I would LOVE to hear another theory that fits the facts. Disproving the time travel theory would be interesting too. However, all I've heard so far about the time travel theory is "I don't like it" which has no weight at all.
 
I love how Polar Bears walking between two islands using Underground Tunnels "makes sense"

*sigh*

I was mainly refering to the tunnel idea itself. Not nessacarily the polar bear thing.

As for the time travel bit, you guys are being intentionally BLIND. And as for me refuting the other theories so far, you only have to read my posts since we've seen Desmond return. I feel like I'm talking to my cat, but I'll make one more try to get this through some of the thick heads out there.

1. Desmond knows about future events.

2. He is not at all surprised that he knows these things when he's never known of future events before.

3. He realizes that he shouldn't be letting everyone know that HE knows about future events.

OMG YOU'RE RIGHT TIME TRAVEL IS THE ONLY EXPLAINATION!!!!!!!!111!!!!

:roll:

Are there any other viable theories yet? Not a single ONE. Everyone who thinks Desmond had a vision or deja vu need only go back and read the three facts we have so far. Those theories don't work.

Yes, they do. In fact, they apply PERFECTLY to last season when Eko had a dream and his late brother Yemi showed him the future in it.

Eko acted out ALL THREE of those so-called 'facts' in the episode "?", even though he had only had a prophetic dream and did not travel through time.

*sigh*....are we done yet?
 
I dunno if anyone else heard, but in the scene where Jack was telling Juliet that he's noticed tension between her and Ben, Ben comes in and says, "the sub is back!" Do the Others have a submarine?

Also, in that same scene, didn't Juliet say that there was a common leader amongst the Others, that Ben wasn't entirely in charge?

Desmond has some sort of connection to the future, of this we are certain. Now that we've got development on it, I'm also certain it's different than when Locke, Eko, or Charlie witnessed the future. Something as miniscule as Claire's roof being struck by lightning compared to the broader drama going on on the show indicates Desmond himself is going to be part of that by being a fortune teller, of sorts.

I'll give Paulo a chance... But that's only because I want cool characters.

Did anyone catch the dude with the eye patch in the previews? :lol: I can't WAIT to see who that is. I believe he's missing a glass eye, though, wouldn't you say?
 
I was mainly refering to the tunnel idea itself. Not nessacarily the polar bear thing.

Yeah, polar bears can swim so they could have possibly just swam across. Wandering through the tunnels of an abandoned base is possible too, but the only reason for the writers to want to go with this explanation is to hint at the possibility of connecting tunnels.

Yes, they do. In fact, they apply PERFECTLY to last season when Eko had a dream and his late brother Yemi showed him the future in it. Eko acted out ALL THREE of those so-called 'facts' in the episode "?", even though he had only had a prophetic dream and did not travel through time.

Perfectly? No, not at all. It is an interesting possible connection, but it doesn't fit.

*sigh*....are we done yet?

As with any topic, we're done when nobody feels like talking about it. <shrug> Without more data we're just shooting ideas around.

I dunno if anyone else heard, but in the scene where Jack was telling Juliet that he's noticed tension between her and Ben, Ben comes in and says, "the sub is back!" Do the Others have a submarine?

Yeah, we wondered what he had said too. At first, I thought he said the name of someone who was in that party, but I really don't know.

Did anyone catch the dude with the eye patch in the previews? :lol: I can't WAIT to see who that is. I believe he's missing a glass eye, though, wouldn't you say?

I wondered at that too. Are there any characters who are supposedly dead that this person could be? Nobody comes to mind right now, but it just seems odd that this person with the eye patch would come out of nowhere.

Here's another thought to mull over. Why does one of the Others need a spinal surgeon? The island can cure nerve damage (Locke), cancer (Rose), and can even speed up the normal healing process (Locke again). So why isn't that spinal tumor healed? I can't believe the Others haven't figured out the healing properties of the island by now. Is there something that prevents the process from working on them? Do they all take those shots? Could that be preventing it?
 
What a great episode, once again.

OK, let's clear some things up:

1.) Polar Bears can swim. So it's possible they swam to the other island.

2.) Desmond is only precognative. He's not a time traveller.

3.) They got to the other island either by boat or by the Hydra. I can buy that the Hydra links the 2 islands.

This other Island thing shoots down a lot of theories and creates a large amount of new possibilites. Is it a system of volcanic islands? The producers did say at the beginning of the season that the island isn't what we've thought and the "manufactured" island theories started running rampant.

Next week - I wanna know who the guy with the eyepatch is. Kelvin? You don't put name actors like Clancy Brown on this show unless yer gonna use them more. And then there is Bill Duke. Hmmmm . . . a very talented and awarded director and screenwriter. You don't just use him as a side character in one show's flashback.
 
When I saw Clancy Brown, and saw Desmond 'kill' hium, I knew he wasn;t dead, and that guy was coming back

PRecog

Timetravel

Two different things, Desmond is now a precog
 
I thought the guy with the eye path was either of two people 1.) A surviving member of Danielle's group of scientists, OR 2.) Marvin Candle, the guy in the orientation videos. I don't know why.

Also, I've read somewhere that, in the Glass Ballerina, that Colleen actually said "Ben wants us to take the Galaga..." or something like that to find the Losties. According to Lostpedia, a Galaga is a submersive creature... A submarine? :)
 
Planet-man said:
Yes, they do. In fact, they apply PERFECTLY to last season when Eko had a dream and his late brother Yemi showed him the future in it. Eko acted out ALL THREE of those so-called 'facts' in the episode "?", even though he had only had a prophetic dream and did not travel through time.
Perfectly? No, not at all. It is an interesting possible connection, but it doesn't fit.

Care to back up your claim that "it doesn't fit at all"?

Because it simply does. Eko acted out all three of your "anit-precog" symptoms when he had dream of the future. He acted out all three of them.

How does it NOT fit?

Jack of Hearts said:
Here's another thought to mull over. Why does one of the Others need a spinal surgeon? The island can cure nerve damage (Locke), cancer (Rose), and can even speed up the normal healing process (Locke again). So why isn't that spinal tumor healed? I can't believe the Others haven't figured out the healing properties of the island by now. Is there something that prevents the process from working on them? Do they all take those shots? Could that be preventing it?

I think that the Others wouldn't know about the healing properties of the Island becaus a) they usually stay on their own island and b) they haven't had any serious injuries that would be healed by it(and even if they had they would've had to stay on the big Island for days to notice the effects, and why would they do that instead of going back to their medical station).

Now, what if Benjamin in the one with the tumor, you say? He was in captivity in the Hatch with them for about a week. Why wouldn't he have healed?

Maybe the Hatch was coated to block out stuff like magnetism and radiation(makes perfect sense), and so it also blocks out whatever geological phenomenon is responsible for the healing.
 
I think that the Others wouldn't know about the healing properties of the Island becaus a) they usually stay on their own island and b) they haven't had any serious injuries that would be healed by it(and even if they had they would've had to stay on the big Island for days to notice the effects, and why would they do that instead of going back to their medical station).

Now, what if Benjamin in the one with the tumor, you say? He was in captivity in the Hatch with them for about a week. Why wouldn't he have healed?

Maybe the Hatch was coated to block out stuff like magnetism and radiation(makes perfect sense), and so it also blocks out whatever geological phenomenon is responsible for the healing.

A = Do they? Their village is on the main island. Even if they NOW hang out on the new island, they had plenty of time to deduce the healing properties on the main island.

B = They aren't currently hanging out at their medical station. Sure, some of them have spent some time there, but not enough to effect this.

As for never having had a major injury, that seems extremely unlikely. Surely someone has slipped while climbing around or been attacked by a polar bear or something.

Hmmmm...

I hope Kelvin's not dead but that was clearly his body in the polar near cave last week. He was wearing the yellow HAZMAT suit with the Dharma logo on it and everything.

Nah. It COULD be his body, but that was only one of who knows how many hazmat suits on the island. Without some other identifying feature, there's no way to know.

Hmmm. And how does Patch fit in with the island's healing ability? It seems like he'd have had to have lost that eye recently to not have had it heal by now. I wish that the island hadn't made Locke's legs heal faster. Then we wouldn't even have to ponder these questions. :)
 
The next episode is Eko-centric, and one of the main characters is going to die.

It's known Locke and Eko supposedly go back to the Pearl, and it has been shown in the previews that there is a man with an eye patch on one of the screens. Spooky.

I'm guessing Pickett and some of the Others come to avenge Coleen and kill Eko, as it's shown he gets a knife or something in the head...
 
A character's going to die? Already? I don't want that...

If it is Eko, we shouldn't have even saved him from the polar bear. Seriously, if we're killing anyone, I would imagine it being Sayid or someone that has actually threatened the Others... I've heard a couple of interesting things and some different characters who may be in danger. I do know that, at least, Kate, Jack, and Sawyer are safe...
 
A character's going to die? Already? I don't want that...

If it is Eko, we shouldn't have even saved him from the polar bear. Seriously, if we're killing anyone, I would imagine it being Sayid or someone that has actually threatened the Others... I've heard a couple of interesting things and some different characters who may be in danger. I do know that, at least, Kate, Jack, and Sawyer are safe...

I agree. Why go to the trouble of rescuing him from the polar bear just to kill him now? Maybe if the actor is having too many legal problems in the real world and they want to get rid of him...

Who to kill? Charlie or Claire are the only established characters that seem likely. Charlie just isn't interesting any more. Claire's death might build up some interest in Charlie if he had to take care of the baby on his own now. I suppose Sun is another possible choice. It'd be interesting to see the effect on Jin if she was killed by the Others.

Eko though... while he doesn't have a hook right now with the button gone and he did tell Ben he had killed some of the Others, I still think there's untapped potential there. It'd be a shame to lose Eko now.
 
Eko has a lot of potential, as opposed to a lot of characters out there. He's introduced a lot of interesting things, including trouble in Locke's life. If that was kept up, he could open a lot of doors in the future.
 
Everyone's saying the eye patch guy is Radzinski, but I'm thinking it's Kelvin or a new character.

And fans have screencapped the part where someone throws the knife/axe/thing at Eko... and it appears to be Eko. Strange.
 
I think that "Patch" is a new character. Radzinski shot himself with a sawed-off shotgun, Kelvin was beaten to death by Desmond (accidently), and there are most likely more people that remain from DHARMA that are not related to the Others... I actually find it hard to believe that both Kelvin and Desmond weren't associated with them. We'll have to see what this means... Hopefully this season.

There a lot of things we can see in the promo, and other things we can't. For instance, editting is probably fooling us at this point. For an example, It appears that Ben Limus is the person with the spinal tumor, but it could be any of a couple of Others, including Tom, Pickett, or "Him", who we know is not actually Ben. Also, Eko does not even get hit by the axe, but makes a noise as if he did - editting.

All I know is that, when Shannon AND Ana Lucia died, it was their episode... When Boone died, it was Locke's episode. I don't know what to base my logic off of... Only that I hope it doesn't mean that, since it is Eko-centric, that he'll be the one to die.
 
I think that "Patch" is a new character. Radzinski shot himself with a sawed-off shotgun, Kelvin was beaten to death by Desmond (accidently), and there are most likely more people that remain from DHARMA that are not related to the Others... I actually find it hard to believe that both Kelvin and Desmond weren't associated with them. We'll have to see what this means... Hopefully this season.

On one hand, I wonder where a new (not actually seen before) character would come from without anyone knowing about them, but on the other hand they really haven't been on the island THAT long so it's possible there are unknowns still roaming about. We only know what happened to Radzinski from what Kelvin says, so we can't assume he's dead. Radzinski has a decent working knowledge of the stations (thus his map) and he might very well have motivation to come out of hiding again when the Swan was actually destroyed.

As for Dharma, I can see where Desmond is a legitimate castaway, but Kelvin? Did he ever say how he got there?

There a lot of things we can see in the promo, and other things we can't. For instance, editting is probably fooling us at this point. For an example, It appears that Ben Limus is the person with the spinal tumor, but it could be any of a couple of Others, including Tom, Pickett, or "Him", who we know is not actually Ben. Also, Eko does not even get hit by the axe, but makes a noise as if he did - editting.

Ain't that the truth! I see rampant rumors on shows all of the time, from Lost to Survivor, based on the editted footage for the next episode. It's amazing how many people will fall for the same trick time and time again. I expect to see at least one of the castaways travel to the Pearl and see Patch on a video screen to some other station. Everything else is suspect. :)

Who is "Him"? I lost you in the conversation there.

Anyone else note that Eko and Locke are sort of the anti-thesis of one another and that their names are similar when spelled backward? I was just explaining to someone how the Ewoks were named in Star Wars and that came to mind. It's probably meaningless, but this show makes you think of EVERY coincidence you come across. :)

I wonder if Eko will clue in to the island's healing properties now? I mean if he's up and walking after the destruction of the Hatch AND a polar bear attack, he's got to wonder, right? And speaking of that healing effect, does it also affect fertility? That could explain why the Others swipe kids. With Juliette as an expert, they might have figured that out. And here's some more speculation way out on a limb... If the healing/infertility effect is geological in nature, maybe the second island doesn't generate the same effect and, in fact, its composition BLOCKS the effect. That might explain why there are people over there mining the rocks. If those rocks are ground down and included in the vaccine, you might protect a person from the infertility if you started the injection when they were young enough. <shrug>
 
Kelvin volunteered to work for DHARMA, after his time as a military spook.

And "Him" is unknown. Ben referred to a "Him" while he was a prisoner. He is believed to be the leader of the Others, or DHARMA itself.
 

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