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TheManWithoutFear said:What are the "changes" so far?
No-one knows any facts on them at the moment, beyond Mad saying he's going slightly towards the original costumes.
TheManWithoutFear said:What are the "changes" so far?
Not exactly classic costumes. Just tweaked a bit. Still Ultimate.thee great one said:More superhero action and less poltical espoinage. And more classic costumes. Basiclly the Avengers.
icemastertron said:Not exactly classic costumes. Just tweaked a bit. Still Ultimate.
It's still going to be the Ultimates.
Joe Fridays #19 excerpt said:NRAMA: From "Rocket Boy":
"When speaking on the topic of your rather daring choice for the new Ultimates creative team [editor's note: Jeph Loeb and Joe Madureira, for the record] you said you felt it would be pointless to attempt to emulate what Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch did. What, in your mind, sets The Ultimates apart in this regard from the other Ultimate ongoing titles such as X-Men and Fantastic Four whose creative team changes have essentially maintained the status quo for those titles?
JQ: Could we actually say that? To me the art of Greg Land is so different from Adam Kubert as is Stuart Immonen from Andy [Kubert]. But that said, The Ultimates has been so hugely defined by the work of Millar and Hitch that I think anyone who is stylistically close will be in for some incredibly unfair comparisons. When Ultimates Vol. 3 hits, you won't be able to compare what Mad is doing to what Hitchy has done because it'll be like comparing DaVinci to Picasso, both genius but so different. So, my feeling in this case is that Jeph and Joe will immediately make The Ultimates their own from the minute they hit the ground.
Seldes Katne said:Having skimmed 15+ pages of discussion on this, I have a question for the experts here: Can someone please post a list of, say, a dozen titles that Jeph Loeb has written? I'd prefer things published as trades, but will look for singles as well.
Choose works that show him as a good writer, a poor writer, whatever you want. Up to this point, the only thing I've read by him was Superman for All Seasons, which I found I liked. However, that's a very small representative sample, so I'm looking for more of his work before forming any kind of opinion.
Thanks! Now back to our regularly-scheduled debates....
But he likes colors. And colors are pretty.Seldes Katne said:Thank you for the recommended reading, gentlemen. I've requested four of the books off TGO's list which are available through my library system, and will keep a look out for any of the others mentioned. Just from the summaries I've seen, it appears that Loeb likes to reinterpret things that have already happened with characters, which I don't think will work well in Ultimates, given that we've only had four arcs. :wink:
But we'll see....
That's exactly the impression I got from what people have been saying about Hush.Bass said:Hush is a good example of terrible writing, in that Lee returns to comics, and can draw women, so Loeb writes a story where Lee gets to draw all of Batman's villains, especially Catwoman. The story is a horrific pretzeling of disconnected events that are "connected" because Batman says so. And a major clue is revealed in the penultimate issue without a set up. It's pathetic and completely inconsequential.
Haven't read Bruce Jones' run on the Hulk yet, but apparently, it's got a very similar structure to what you've just described.ourchair said:It's what I call the superhero private crossover, in which one hero gets to fight his entire rogue's gallery and team-up with his contacts. The plot's chief mastermind villain usually makes sense, but is also so intentionally unexpected it feels contrived.
Well they immediately retconned Jones' run as soon as he was off so I don't think you have too.compound said:Haven't read Bruce Jones' run on the Hulk yet, but apparently, it's got a very similar structure to what you've just described.
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ourchair said:That's exactly the impression I got from what people have been saying about Hush.
It's what I call the superhero private crossover, in which one hero gets to fight his entire rogue's gallery and team-up with his contacts. The plot's chief mastermind villain usually makes sense, but is also so intentionally unexpected it feels contrived.
The effect makes you feel like you've been gang-raped. Not that I know what being gang-raped feels like. See also Mark Millar's run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man.
A sketch is just that. Unless it was identified specifically as interior art to be published, it tells us nothing conclusive about storylines.Goodwill said:Black Widow sketch by Joe Mad was revealed in Wizard. She's sticking around!