In regards to JC coming back to Earth and people not believing he is the messiah - of course they wouldn't. They didn't believe him the
first time, remember? It required him to die horrifically and several hundred years to pass before anything got going.
Seldes Katne said:
I knew there were a couple of things I was going to add when I had time to think of them. One is about the fact that Thor is locked up in the Triskelion in Banner's former cell. This suggests to me that either Gunnar has pulled some strings to get him put there, or someone else in an authority position believes that Thor may well be the real thing. This would explain the maximum security arrangements, as Thor was a pretty tough customer in Norse mythology even without his hammer.
I think the reason he's in the Triskelion, is pretty simple. Firstly, he has stolen super-soldier tech directly related to the Union. The Union, at this time, is currently still a secret, therefore, Thor must be kept under wraps for the time being. As for why he's in the Triskelion and not the Dome: Thor is still presumed, by some, to have been leaking the information about Banner. The leak is still unknown (though Fury's quite happy to move past it... hmm). You couldn't just put Thor in a local prison because he's "normal". He's heavily involved in the current super soldier programmes, and he's the brother of one of the key R&D guys in the Union's work.
Plus, there is a possibility that no one knows Thor is even still alive. Jane may think he's dead, along with most of the world, thinking he was killed in the battle between the Ultimates and the Union since, there were few witness to the actual fight (they were far away after all) and it doesn't seem they're eager to tell everyone, just after the Hulk has been revealed to be a member of the Ultimates, that another member of the Ultimates went insane and tried to kill everyone.
And, of course, as you say, if Loki wanted to keep an eye on him so he could torment him, a word here or there and the traitor could probably pull enough strings to set it up - but I think the above are reason enough.
Seldes Katne said:
I'll be interested in seeing if anyone thinks to bring in a telepath to read Thor's mind and determine the truth of the matter. If he's just a man who's stolen supersoldier hardware, he should be susceptible to telepathy at this point. If not, a telepath could blow the whole question wide open.
Since Thor believes he is the Son of Asgard, it's possible that a telepath may not be able to say he's lying, because, he doesn't believe he is. (That said, I'm sure Xavier could tell the difference, and probably so too could a trained teep.)
But the main point is, why bother? The Ultimates are
convinced he's not a God. They were confused before because he was so powerful, and no one knew what he was. Now they've been told he's a guy whole stole a super-soldier suit, and that, as soon as they removed the suit's power source (the belt) he stopped having any powers - to them it's obvious he's a fake. From there point of view, there's just no point in bringing in the teep - they never believed he was a God, and now they've proof he's not.
Seldes Katne said:
Same thought on the location of Mjolnir and the belt at this point. My guess is that Gunnar has them, because A) if the hammer and harness are man-made hardware, he certainly isn't going to want the techies at the Triskelion dismantling them and figuring out how they work, and B) if the hammer and belt are the genuine articles from Norse mythology, it probably won't take said technicians long to figure out that there's no technology involved and that Thor's claim has a certain validity.
I think Loki or the Union has the artifacts, but we'll see what his plans are.
Thing is, I'm convinced we won't see Odin or any Asgardian. I think that Iron Man will finally see what SHIELD's up to, along with the traitor and all this, and he'll think, Thor may be a loon, but he was right. He was the team's conscience, and they needed him. He'll get the hammer and belt, and break Thor out. If he himself doesn't do it, he'll convince Cap to. I'm sure one of those two is going to free Thor, and if Thor is believed dead (and Valkyrie will let us know if this is the case), we could see Thor's "Third Coming".
