Ultimates 2 #10 cover released

[Lynx]

Does anyone else notice how the Abomination-lookalike thing looks like exactly like the Abomination art Hitch did for the Hulk game?

Dun DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!

Yes, I did. :lol:

 

[DIrishB]

You're right. I only *knew* it wasn't Crimson Dynamo. I therefore assumed it was Titanium Man. But the guy I'm thinking of definitly was wearing armor, hence both the "clang" of Wolverine's claws on it, as well as Colossus saying "I thought you were a machine. But I can see you are a man with robotic parts". And I don't know any other Russian armored characters other than Crimson Dynamo and Titanium Man. Also, the character in Nightmare was rather large. In 616, the first Titanium Man was a "giant". But if you can prove me wrong, by all means. . .

Oh ok, I thought you were talking about the guy Cap was fighting, the Red Army Cap if you will, because I'm pretty sure that's who MWoF was referencing. Still even that guy I don't think was supposed to be Titanium Man or anyone from 616. By that logic all those weird alien mutant people in the bunker would probably by a 616 analogue. I'm still sure it wasn't Titanium Man, Mr. Snarky.

Also, Obidiah Stane doesn't become Titanium Man. He becomes Iron Monger.

Duh, my mix-up.

 

[Lynx]

Oh ok, I thought you were talking about the guy Cap was fighting, the Red Army Cap if you will, because I'm pretty sure that's who MWoF was referencing. Still even that guy I don't think was supposed to be Titanium Man or anyone from 616. By that logic all those weird alien mutant people in the bunker would probably by a 616 analogue. I'm still sure it wasn't Titanium Man, Mr. Snarky.

The Russian Cap was Red Guardian.

But, I'm sticking to my guns about Titanium Man. The other "mutants" weren't really featured close-up, yet we know the horned, lightning guy was Unicorn, so why couldn't the big, metal guy by Titanium Man? It doesn't really matter, per se, but it still shows that Crimson Dynamo could be apart of this lineup.

 

[14rdb]

I don't think any character Ellis made ultimate versions of (or kind of made ultimate versions of) in Nightmare can be written off from ever being introduced again.

After all, they were failed Supersolider attempts. And beyond that, they may have been failed attempts at certain 'templates.' For example, the Soviets may have been trying to make their Red Guardian, Unicorn, Crimson Dynamo, etc. and the ones seen in Nightmare were experiments that didn't make the cut.

Similar to S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America -- the US govt. considers it a position, one that Steve Rogers currently fills, but it won't necessarily end with him.

You could even connect the two. Saying that old test notes and studies from the failed Soviet soldiers were recently sold off to an interested party who improved upon them and created more advanced versions of Crimson Dynamo, etc. for their team.

 

[E.Vi.L.]

Yeah. I personnally wrote off every baddies in this issue as one-shot nobodies.

 

[WonderJim]

This is a foolish thought, but since in UFF Reed went to another Marvel universe. What if the invaders are from a universe that runs along the Ultimates own and is more Soviet dominated and Loki shifts them into the ultimates(Or "Ultimate Prime") universe and adds a few other memberslike the giant Ironman suits?? Loki did say that hia allies could rearrange reality, so what if it is a Soviet-Ultimate Universe Scarlet Witch. Just a thought, and hopefully not true since I hate alternate universe crossovers....

 

[Ice]

This is a foolish thought, but since in UFF Reed went to another Marvel universe. What if the invaders are from a universe that runs along the Ultimates own and is more Soviet dominated and Loki shifts them into the ultimates(Or "Ultimate Prime") universe and adds a few other memberslike the giant Ironman suits?? Loki did say that hia allies could rearrange reality, so what if it is a Soviet-Ultimate Universe Scarlet Witch. Just a thought, and hopefully not true since I hate alternate universe crossovers....

WELCOME!

 

[ProjectX2]

WELCOME!

He's been here since August. You probably welcomed him after his first post.

 

[Ice]

He's been here since August. You probably welcomed him after his first post.

Twice the Welcome. :lol:

 

[DIrishB]

The Russian Cap was Red Guardian.

Yup, thats who I was thinking of.

But, I'm sticking to my guns about Titanium Man. The other "mutants" weren't really featured close-up, yet we know the horned, lightning guy was Unicorn, so why couldn't the big, metal guy by Titanium Man? It doesn't really matter, per se, but it still shows that Crimson Dynamo could be apart of this lineup.

Could be, I just see it as a wasted opportunity though if that is the case. Not that I expected to see an Ultimate Titanium Man anytime soon otherwise, but you know what I mean.

I don't think any character Ellis made ultimate versions of (or kind of made ultimate versions of) in Nightmare can be written off from ever being introduced again.

After all, they were failed Supersolider attempts. And beyond that, they may have been failed attempts at certain 'templates.' For example, the Soviets may have been trying to make their Red Guardian, Unicorn, Crimson Dynamo, etc. and the ones seen in Nightmare were experiments that didn't make the cut.

Similar to S.H.I.E.L.D. and Captain America -- the US govt. considers it a position, one that Steve Rogers currently fills, but it won't necessarily end with him.

You could even connect the two. Saying that old test notes and studies from the failed Soviet soldiers were recently sold off to an interested party who improved upon them and created more advanced versions of Crimson Dynamo, etc. for their team.

That makes a lot of sense.

 

[DIrishB]

Twice the Welcome. :lol:

Nah, don't worry about it, no one welcomed him with his first post (I just checked). So now he's welcomed, and all is well with the world. Amen.

 

[Entropy]

Heh, now this is a cover I can get behind. Personally, I don't care if its evil dopplegangers or the Ultimates turned rogue (which could make sense) or Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band, the cover is bad ***. But I don't think its the full thing.

No, I'm not talking about the figures. They're filled in and done as they should be. There are shadowing details done on a number of them, grayish patches to give them a bit more form you know. Whats interesting though is that if you zoom in on the image, aside from the five Ultimate sillouettes in the foreground, all the other figures behind them seem to be turned the other way and looking back at the Triskelion and those giant mechs.

What I'm talking about is the smoky patch in the very foreground. It meshs but doesn't seem to fit overall. I think there's supposed to be SOMETHING there they don't want us to see. Thats my only real thought here.

Oh, and if they are dopplegangers, then thats Beta Ray Bill standing for Thor .

 

[E]

This is a foolish thought, but since in UFF Reed went to another Marvel universe. What if the invaders are from a universe that runs along the Ultimates own and is more Soviet dominated and Loki shifts them into the ultimates(Or "Ultimate Prime") universe and adds a few other memberslike the giant Ironman suits?? Loki did say that hia allies could rearrange reality, so what if it is a Soviet-Ultimate Universe Scarlet Witch. Just a thought, and hopefully not true since I hate alternate universe crossovers....

Too convoluted...Millar doesn't write Ultimates like that.

 

[Lynx]

Could be, I just see it as a wasted opportunity though if that is the case. Not that I expected to see an Ultimate Titanium Man anytime soon otherwise, but you know what I mean.

*shrugs* Maybe it was, but since there isn't an Ultimate Iron Man ongoing (Thank God), I don't see it as much of a problem (If that even is him. I'm not positive, but that's what I'm leaning towards). Plus, Crimson Dynamo and Iron Monger were the better villians anyways (And it looks like we may get both).

 

[ProjectX2]

Nah, don't worry about it, no one welcomed him with his first post (I just checked). So now he's welcomed, and all is well with the world. Amen.

Nope, Ice welcomed him.

Good thinking.

WELCOME, too!

 

[DIrishB]

Heh, now this is a cover I can get behind. Personally, I don't care if its evil dopplegangers or the Ultimates turned rogue (which could make sense) or Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band,

Now that would be cool. Maybe Max Weinberg could be the one operating the big robots of doom.

the cover is bad ***. But I don't think its the full thing.

No, I'm not talking about the figures. They're filled in and done as they should be. There are shadowing details done on a number of them, grayish patches to give them a bit more form you know. Whats interesting though is that if you zoom in on the image, aside from the five Ultimate sillouettes in the foreground, all the other figures behind them seem to be turned the other way and looking back at the Triskelion and those giant mechs.

What I'm talking about is the smoky patch in the very foreground. It meshs but doesn't seem to fit overall. I think there's supposed to be SOMETHING there they don't want us to see. Thats my only real thought here.

Oh, and if they are dopplegangers, then thats Beta Ray Bill standing for Thor .

Good catch.

*shrugs* Maybe it was, but since there isn't an Ultimate Iron Man ongoing (Thank God), I don't see it as much of a problem (If that even is him. I'm not positive, but that's what I'm leaning towards). Plus, Crimson Dynamo and Iron Monger were the better villians anyways (And it looks like we may get both).

Totally agree.

Nope, Ice welcomed him.

You're right, I didn't notice there were two other pages after his post (his was the last on that respective page).

So double the welcome it is then.

 

[UltimateScarletWitch]

You know, being the resident new person (and ya know having a vagina you all will pay attention in earnest), I hightly doublt what I am about to say will have any meaning, but I think too many of you are sick to death about a straight line between good and evil. You all like your grays. And that is fine. However, when it comes down to it, everything is Black and White. If you break down the color gray, you get Black and White, sometimes more than the other, but a throw down of good versus evil, that would end this so well you guys. There is a counter for every Ultimate; Red Skull, Loki, Crimson Dynamo, Yelena Bolova (Black Widow II).

Those Names Cover Cap, Thor, Iron Man, and Black Widow. What about the others? Picture this:

The traitor, is one of the Giant Men. On the cover of the Annual, the Giant man has 'Goliath' tatooed on his arm. There was never anyone named 'Goliath' on the Avenger's roster. 'Goliath' was a bad guy. He was one of the MoE's. So, Goliath a random dude, out of no where, begins to do all of these things to the Ultimates. Gets Copies of the serums, and the details of every person on the Ultimates. Has a few underground people of SHIELD working with him, the makings of Ultimate Hydra, and he has Jarvis get the Iron Man layouts for him (or better yet, whomever shoots Widow at her wedding, stole her outfit to make the Crimson Dynamo suit). Widow was already a Russian super-soldiger, Russia already has her blue prints. So they set up the counter-Ultimates

Red Skull: Some failed expirament of the Cap. Serum and decayed and was taken for dead so he hoped on the other side (made him looney too)

Loki: I like the notion that we don't know for sure if Loki and Thor are legit. However, it points to them being real, since, if Gunnar needed the hardware to build the Thor out-fit, why would he need to steal it, the real Thor required his armor to use his abilites (or as real as myths get). So to become uber powerful Loki steals Thor's armor (and possibly Gungnir too as that other weapon might attest to)

Crimson Dynamo: Stolen Blue prints from either a hypnotized Jarvis (like in the old universe), or from Black Widow's suit after attacking her at her wedding.

Yellow Jacket: not Hank Pym, Rita DeMara. The traitor stole Hank Pym's shrink serum and they got someone who hates Janet to fill the shoes.

Yelena Bolova: When Natasha left Russia/USSR, they had to have their secret weapon so they made Yelena, who, in order to truely be the Black Widow, must slay Natasha for betraying them.

Abomination: The Hulk serum became pubilc record for the trail of the Hulk, and they copied it and tried to make it better, thus the Abomination.

Goliath: the traitor, SHIELD gave him his abilities. He'll take on giant man (and he's even got fourty-feet on him).

Boomerang: Just a guess, but you'd think they'd counter Hawkeye with someone else with near super-human accuracy with a non-firearm projectile weapon. Hell, they might use Bullseye. Or they might use someone like Constrictor to counter him. You know, human durability or whatever.

Wizzer: yeah, he wasn't a bad guy in 616 (I could have sworn he attacked the Avenger's mansion once), but he and Pietro DID have rivalry. So they could play off of that. Im willing to bet that the speedster (whomever it will be) will have to wear a belt or something to simulate him to go that fast.

Enchantress: or that other person people are saying. There weren't too many magic users in the old version MoE. Hell, It might be a villain from the Defenders, since Ultimate Defenders are just a bunch of wannabes.

Ultron: There is a reason Millar wrote about Vision. It'll be Vision vs Ultron. Plain and Simple.

Zemo: I don't think he'll be called Baron any more, but he will certainly counter Nick Fury. He may not even wear a mask. Just the leader behind the whole thing. In the old universe he created both MoE and Hydra, a perfect counter to Nick Fury, who created both SHIELD and the Ultimates.

Yes, I believe that this will be a Black and White forray. What a great way for Millar to end his run. And you know what? The man did an EXCELLENT job doing so. I mean, he has made the clear cut line between good and evil, and we didn't even know it until the very end. What a story. He even hinted at it the entire story, and even in the annual. The man was brilliant, this isn't even over yet, and I bow to him.

 

[hulk34]

hi anybody think that the hulk will make an apearance to take on the abomination?

the cover is excellent by the way!!

best, neil

 

[DIrishB]

hi anybody think that the hulk will make an apearance to take on the abomination?

the cover is excellent by the way!!

best, neil

I'm hoping Hulk will return at some point, whether its in Ultimates 2 or not. I honestly don't think Hulk will return in this series though, mainly due to the Ultimate Hulk vs. Wolverine mini. Since he's still on the run in the mini, I doubt he'll show up to help the Ultimates, then disappear again. Besides, he has no reason to help the Ultimates. They did after all keep him imprisoned for over a year (even though he deserved it...well, the Hulk did, not Bruce, but se la vie). Anyway, I think the UHvs.W mini will give us our fill of Ultimate Hulk for awhile, but I definitly like the character and hope to see more of him. I'd even like to see the Hulk make guest appearances in other Ultimate titles. Since he's wandering around the world, thats a perfect excuse for him to cross paths with some of the other Ultimate heroes. Though I imagine he's probably avoiding New York due to the Ultimates and the Triskelion being there, but anything's possible.

 

[Lynx]

The traitor, is one of the Giant Men. On the cover of the Annual, the Giant man has 'Goliath' tatooed on his arm. There was never anyone named 'Goliath' on the Avenger's roster. 'Goliath' was a bad guy. He was one of the MoE's. So, Goliath a random dude, out of no where, begins to do all of these things to the Ultimates. Gets Copies of the serums, and the details of every person on the Ultimates. Has a few underground people of SHIELD working with him, the makings of Ultimate Hydra, and he has Jarvis get the Iron Man layouts for him (or better yet, whomever shoots Widow at her wedding, stole her outfit to make the Crimson Dynamo suit). Widow was already a Russian super-soldiger, Russia already has her blue prints. So they set up the counter-Ultimates

I honestly don't think it'd be as out-of-the-blue as that. It's someone on the Ultimates, someone who has been featured prominantly. I'm leaning towards Black Widow right now, personally.

Red Skull: Some failed expirament of the Cap. Serum and decayed and was taken for dead so he hoped on the other side (made him looney too)

Sounds like the Lieberman theory. I think the Reds figured out the Super Soldier serum, but it had side effects. . .

Loki: I like the notion that we don't know for sure if Loki and Thor are legit. However, it points to them being real, since, if Gunnar needed the hardware to build the Thor out-fit, why would he need to steal it, the real Thor required his armor to use his abilites (or as real as myths get). So to become uber powerful Loki steals Thor's armor (and possibly Gungnir too as that other weapon might attest to)

Loki would be fine since he's already been featured. I just thought that Perun would work, too. Unless, of course, Thor turns Red. :wink:

Crimson Dynamo: Stolen Blue prints from either a hypnotized Jarvis (like in the old universe), or from Black Widow's suit after attacking her at her wedding.

I think whoever the Traitor is gave the blueprints to the Reds. Widow'd work perfectly, but then again so could Stark or Fury. We'll have to see.

Yellow Jacket: not Hank Pym, Rita DeMara. The traitor stole Hank Pym's shrink serum and they got someone who hates Janet to fill the shoes.

If Yellowjacket shows up, it better be Pym. The Traitor wanted Pym to betray the team. All Pym wants is to be known again. Plus, Pym was a bad guy as Yellowjacket in 616 anyways, this'd fit perfectly. I don't think they'd bring DeMara in and say "Oh she hates Janet" out of the blue. That would have required build-up in previous issues.

Yelena Bolova: When Natasha left Russia/USSR, they had to have their secret weapon so they made Yelena, who, in order to truely be the Black Widow, must slay Natasha for betraying them.

If the Traitor isn't Natasha, the other Black Widow'll be Yelena for sure. I still don't think this is a Russian team, however. I think it's Chinese or Korean.

Abomination: The Hulk serum became pubilc record for the trail of the Hulk, and they copied it and tried to make it better, thus the Abomination.

It's Abomination, definetly.

Goliath: the traitor, SHIELD gave him his abilities. He'll take on giant man (and he's even got fourty-feet on him).

I don't think Pym will be there as Giant Man. Plus, there were five Goliaths. That was the nickname for the five new Giant Men. They said it in the Annual. Even if Giant Man did fight, he'd be fighting those two giant robots.

Boomerang: Just a guess, but you'd think they'd counter Hawkeye with someone else with near super-human accuracy with a non-firearm projectile weapon. Hell, they might use Bullseye. Or they might use someone like Constrictor to counter him. You know, human durability or whatever.

Boomerang already showed up in USM. Either Hawkeye joins this counter team, or they won't have an double for him.

Wizzer: yeah, he wasn't a bad guy in 616 (I could have sworn he attacked the Avenger's mansion once), but he and Pietro DID have rivalry. So they could play off of that. Im willing to bet that the speedster (whomever it will be) will have to wear a belt or something to simulate him to go that fast.

Whizzer's certainly possible.

Enchantress: or that other person people are saying. There weren't too many magic users in the old version MoE. Hell, It might be a villain from the Defenders, since Ultimate Defenders are just a bunch of wannabes.

Enchantress would fit with Thor and Loki. Fantasia would fit with the communist theme. It could go either way.

Ultron: There is a reason Millar wrote about Vision. It'll be Vision vs Ultron. Plain and Simple.

Absolutley.

Zemo: I don't think he'll be called Baron any more, but he will certainly counter Nick Fury. He may not even wear a mask. Just the leader behind the whole thing. In the old universe he created both MoE and Hydra, a perfect counter to Nick Fury, who created both SHIELD and the Ultimates.

Hell. Yes. Zemo would be perfect as Fury's counter.

Yes, I believe that this will be a Black and White forray. What a great way for Millar to end his run. And you know what? The man did an EXCELLENT job doing so. I mean, he has made the clear cut line between good and evil, and we didn't even know it until the very end. What a story. He even hinted at it the entire story, and even in the annual. The man was brilliant, this isn't even over yet, and I bow to him.

Totally agree. Millar is easily my favorite comic writer (Well. . .except maybe Morrison).