Dr.Strangefate said:
The Supremaverse and the Ultimate Universe have both encountered parallel universes.
Ultimate U. in Ultimate Fantastic Four
Supremaverse in Supreme Power: Hyperion.
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I don't think either world has been compromised... And it would seem that this has gone unnoticed to you...
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The truth is that if Alan Moore came in here in the 80s to explain how he was going to take the Charlton Comics characters and put them in a real world setting... We would have said, "hell no! That goes against everything those characters are about!"
Ever think that that might be the point? That by contrasting the two worlds they might be able to come up with a overarching message?
And if so, shouldnt we give them a chance first?
There's a difference.
If you're talking about the "alternate universe" in Supreme Power: Hyperion, then that's a mistake. It's revealed in the mini-series that they don't visit a different dimension at all. They just travel into the near future of their own dimension.
In regards to the alternate dimensions in UFF (N-Zone and Zombieverse), of course the Fantastic Four's crossed over into other dimensions! They're the Fantastic Four. They're cosmic adventurers. That's what they do. But there's two key differences between the dimension-hopping of the FF and the cross-over of Ultimate Power. For one, the N-Zone and Zombieverse are dimensions created for the whole purpose of serving a FF plot. They were created and specially tailored to fit the purpose of the plot. (and before we start arguing about Marvel Zombies standing on it's own, let's point out that in operating as a miniseries, it doesn't sacrifice any inherent integrity of the zombieverse) The Fantastic Four sees these as different universes, but externally, we can recognize that they were created as a part of the UFF continuity. Second, while dimension hopping is part and parcel to the UFF, I don't think it fits particularly well with the other lines.
I don't buy the Watchmen analogy either. Moore didn't take a comic line that was currently in operation and make major and sweeping changes to it. For one, those characters hadn't been in use for years. For another, the Watchmen universe is distinctly different from the Charlton Universe. He took characters that were familiar, but the universe he created was essentially a reboot. The characters were out of use, had no lines dedicated to them, and were encapsulated in an era decades gone. This change, though, is going to have a lasting effect on two currently living comic lines. That's what I'm worried about.
And either way, I'm going to give the series a chance. I'm just giving the reason as to why I'm skeptical.
Nunachi - uumm... sort of... My feeling on the matter is, the Ultimate Universe intends to bring things back to the basics. If we Ultimize every aspect of the 616 universe, then all we're left with is a copy of 616. I don't think Squadron Supreme would ever get Ultimized, at least not to the scope of Supreme Power.
Either way, I consider Supreme Power to be less about Marvel Ultimizing Squadron Supreme (which was originally supposed to be their version of DC heroes), and more about Ultimizing the DC Universe without getting sued. I don't like DC/Marvel crossovers, so I sure as hell won't like Ultimate DC/Ultimate Marvel crossovers.
You can crossover the Transformers Universe with the James Joyce Universe. It might turn out totally badass. Leopold Bloom may learn a valuable lesson about the evil capable in the heart of Deceptacons, and the Autobots may learn a valuable lesson how the epic nature of heroism can be exemplified in trivial deeds. It may be an awesome miniseries. But that doesn't mean it won't hurt the two universes.
I just don't think it's necessary. Right now I feel like the two universes are kept to their relatively archetypal ideas, and they're doing well with them. I'll give the series a chance, but I can't see it turning out great.
