Tomb Raider Timeline/Playing orders

Lucid_Dreamer said:
sooooooo Tomb Raider Remastered came out and.... its a decent remaster with no outstanding glitches! (well... from what I've seen... only been able to play the tutorial... its been a busy month)

Over the last few months I have also been able to complete most of the expanded universe timelines, meaning that the Jolie movies, the 2018 film and the Top Cow comic have been completed with the Re/Visoned timeline more or less completed (there's not much of a "timeline" in that series per se, but I'll add some flavor text)

as previously stated the Survivor timeline is also completed and now I can carry on with the Classic/Legend/Unified timeline! So far I've only done Anniversary/1 so its going to be a bit of a journey. I also played through "Nightmare Stone" and "curse of the Sword" and while they are neat little game boy recreations of Tomb Raider there is no timeline content in them so I am keeping em where I have played them.

Enjoy the remasters and Happy Valentines, Happy Pride Month, and Happy Lara Croft's Birthday!
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Happy birthday Lara!
 
I was talking about the Top Cow comics interpretation of the character. Top Cow and Dynamite are either the same Earth-818793 reality or the events of Monster War occur in both.

And... now I'm reading that the Image Comics universe is connected in some ways while separate in others. That's confusing. Also, Marvel's Devil's Reign event is a crossover with Top Cow.
 
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Jozaca said:
But if Tomb Rider 1 and Anniversary tell the same story how can the two of them be canon?
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Anniversary is like a comic adaptation. You should be used to this. Resident Evil does the same thing. Also aren't there new scenes in anniversary?
 
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I was talking about the Top Cow comics interpretation of the character. Top Cow and Dynamite are either the same Earth-818793 reality or the events of Monster War occur in both.

And... now I'm reading that the Image Comics universe is connected in some ways while separate in others. That's confusing. Also, Marvel's Devil's Reign event is a crossover with Top Cow.
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I consider only Lara Croft Appearences as canon. It would be very confusing otherwise.
 
Pro Bot said:
And... now I'm reading that the Image Comics universe is connected in some ways while separate in others. That's confusing. Also, Marvel's Devil's Reign event is a crossover with Top Cow.
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yeah Image Comics have their own personal philosophy around crossovers and shared universe which is more of a "Shared Multiverse" than anything. basically, each series exists in its own universe, and with crossovers a version of that crossover happens in each universe. I think its informed by the focus on creator rights that Image Comics has, and not wanting to creators to feel like their hands are tied by having to follow over creators continuity

Megatron said:
Anniversary is like a comic adaptation. You should be used to this. Resident Evil does the same thing. Also aren't there new scenes in anniversary?
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Anniversary does add new scenes, and also adds new plot details to make it fit the "Legend" continuity. They basically feel like two versions of the same story. I consider Anniversary/Legend a "Soft reboot" where Lara's story is retconned to include things like a tragic death of a parent backstory, the Survivor trilogy as a "Hard reboot" where we see an entirely new version of Lara and the Unification as an attempt to fuse these two timelines together.

As with the "Unified Timeline" including everything as well as Comics and movies, well that could work in some ways but be tricky in others. both the Jolie movies and the Top Cow comics refer to Lara experiencing the events of the games but almost every iteration gives a different story about Lara's upbringing. Not to mention the different versions of Lara's mansion and its staff. It could work if we assume that some details are simply not canon to the "unified" version of the timeline, but there would be some stories that would simply not work if we removed all the contradictory information, such as the 2018 movie which is heavily reliant on its own version of Lara's backstory
 
Thinking about an "Expanded Unified Timeline" which incorporates comics & movies, as previously stated, the Top cow comics and Jolie movies reference the games, so it could potentially work. Although almost every installment would have to be "broad strokes canon" as facts about parentage and dating won't fit together

even the canon-problematic 2018 movie could work if you slot it in between the post-Tomb Raider 2013 comics and "Rise". We never see how Lara figures out Unity is a thing in the games, Rise just opens with Lara ranting over a red string conspiracy board.

How it would work would be that after losing Sam, Lara could throw herself into learning martial arts and being a bicycle courier in an attempt to get that adrenaline rush she experienced on the island, which ends up leading into the movie events, during which she finds out about Unity and then throws herself into reviewing her fathers notes for "hints about the conspiracy" which leads into Rise
 
Funny you mention Top Cow and Lara Croft, since she was sponsored for the Earth-27 project I mentioned back on the Slasherverse thread. While normally, she likely wouldn't get in, its because of her crossovers with the Witchblade comics that she was made available.
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Lara Croft

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Hi @Lucid_Dreamer,
Your timeline is great, specially love comics chronology -> but it looks like 3 comics from Top Cow are missing in chronology.
Will you add them?

Tomb Raider #0 https://comicvine.gamespot.com/tomb-raider-0/4000-112289/
Witchblade/Tomb Raider #1/2
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/witchbladetomb-raider-12/4000-119059/ -> sequel to Tomb Raider/Witchblade Special #1
Dark Crossings
tombraider.fandom.com

Dark Crossings: Dark Clouds Overhead

Dark Crossings: Dark Clouds Overhead is the second part of a crossover comics produced by Top Cow Productions and published by Image Comics where Lara Croft appears. Sara Pezzini has a nightmare about Butcher Knight when she is woken by a call to a crime-scene of Gideon's murder. Seeing that...
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+ per https://raidingtheglobe.com/comics/top-cow/crossovers there were 2 more cameos in Witchblade:
TALES OF THE WITCHBLADE #9
WITCHBLADE #84

+ remaining issues of Endgame crossover
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/endgame/4045-55662/ Witchblade 58+59+61 should probably be included as well?

Thank you
 
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CalamityJane said:
Hi @Lucid_Dreamer,
Your timeline is great, specially love comics chronology -> but it looks like 3 comics from Top Cow are missing in chronology.
Will you add them?

Tomb Raider #0 https://comicvine.gamespot.com/tomb-raider-0/4000-112289/
Witchblade/Tomb Raider #1/2
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/witchbladetomb-raider-12/4000-119059/ -> sequel to Tomb Raider/Witchblade Special #1
Dark Crossings
tombraider.fandom.com

Dark Crossings: Dark Clouds Overhead

Dark Crossings: Dark Clouds Overhead is the second part of a crossover comics produced by Top Cow Productions and published by Image Comics where Lara Croft appears. Sara Pezzini has a nightmare about Butcher Knight when she is woken by a call to a crime-scene of Gideon's murder. Seeing that...
tombraider.fandom.com tombraider.fandom.com

+ per https://raidingtheglobe.com/comics/top-cow/crossovers there were 2 more cameos in Witchblade:
TALES OF THE WITCHBLADE #9
WITCHBLADE #84

+ remaining issues of Endgame crossover
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/endgame/4045-55662/ Witchblade 58+59+61 should probably be included as well?

Thank you
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Hey thanks for the feedback!

writing the Top Cow part of the timeline was actually the hardest bit, given the lack of information or reading guides for the series, lack of dates within the series and the whole nature of crossovers and "comic book time". The amount of simularly named issues was confusing too, I had actually read some of the issues you listed and completely to include them!

Going through the titles you listed, I placed Witchblade/Tomb Raider 1 and "Dark Crossings" as per their publishing date (Dark Crossings I used the 1st issue). This does place them during the period where Chase Carver is desperately trying to get into Laras good books but its entirely plausable that Lara would still be doing things without him around.

Tomb Raider 0 I used the publishing month, but placed it before the series due to its number (however, just like the 0.5 issue there is NO REASON why it should be a 0 issue since there is nothing that would make it a prequel to the series but I digress...)

as per the witchblade cameos I looked at those issues and Im not sure I would call them cameos... Tales of the Witchblade features a photo of Lara (albeit held by a character who was in one of the earlier crossover stories) and Witchblade 84 features an image of the main character in a montage that portray how Laras life has become "really complicated" but its really just a still pose, so I dont think I would count them.

as for the endgame issues, I didnt have the time to read them properly (and i probably should read them alongside the rest of endgame) but it didnt look like Lara was in them, however given they are all the same story arc maybe they should be included just for completions sake
 
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Lucid_Dreamer said:
Unified Timeline:

As stated previously, the unified timeline is a combination of the three previous timelines, and as of September 2023 we have not seen any installments in this timeline. This timeline is based on the official timeline that was posted by Square Enix that has since been taken down (although you can find it on the wayback machine). I have also included the Angel of Darkness tie-in novels as they were rereleased during the anniversary event and described as "partially canon"

Timeline order
Tomb Raider: the beginning
Tomb Raider 2013
Tomb Raider the ten thousand immortals
Tomb Raider v2 Issue 1- 6: Season of the witch
Tomb Raider v2 Issue 7-12: Secrets and lies
Tomb Raider v2 Issue 13-18: Queen of serpents
Rise of Tomb Raider Announcement trailer
Rise of Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider v3 Issue 1-6: Spore
Tomb Raider v3 Issue 7-12: Choice and sacrifice
Tomb Raider Survivors crusade Issue 1-4
Tomb Raider Inferno Issue 1-4
Shadow of the tomb raider path of apocalypse
Shadow of tomb raider
Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft
Tomb Raider (1996) / Tomb Raider Anniversary
Tomb Raider: Unfinished Buisness
Tomb Raider II & Golden Mask DLC
Tomb Raider III & The Lost Artifact DLC
Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation
Tomb Raider Chronicles
Tomb Raider: Amulet of Power
Tomb Raider: Angel of Darkness
Tomb Raider: The Lost Cult
Tomb Raider: The Man of Bronze
Lara Croft and the Guardian of Light
Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris
Lara Croft and the Frozen Omen
Lara Croft and the Blade of Gwynnever
Tomb Raider: Legend
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Tomb Raider: Underworld Beneath the Ashes & Lara's Shadow
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Am curious, but any idea where the Top Cow (and other) Comics, Movies and Re\Visioned animated series fall in the Unified Timeline?
 
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JudgeDreddpool said:
Am curious, but any idea where the Top Cow Comics, Movies and Re\Visioned animated series fall in the Unified Timeline?
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Hey! long time since I've updated this, i've been real busy with uni study, IRL hobbies and general life stuff that I havent had much time. I have been slooowllly working my way through Tomb Raider remastered but its slow going (just on my New game + of TRII)

as for how the all that would fit into the "unified" timeline its tricky. Basically the biographical detail about Lara shifts a lot between franchises, with Lara having contradictory backstories. However (particularly in the earlier tie-ins) there was a tendency for the media to reference the games as having "happened". That being said, Im not sure if any of the tie-in material not directly referenced in the official timeline is canon.


If I were gonna try and place a timeline on the series, I would interlace the original Top Cow comic with the games (particularly as they adapt "Angel of Darkness") with the inital appearance starting post-Tomb Raider II as she has her wetsuit from that game in the early comics. The first Jolie movie would be placed between "Amulet of Power" and "angel of Darkness" whereas the second jolie movie would be post "angel of darkness" as it references that game

the "Journey's" series is a bit trickier, as it feels like its supposed to be a thematic ending to Lara's adventures, but also features a Lara who is very uncomfortable with murder (which is... soo not classic Lara) and also references an event that occurs in the main comics. My inclination would to past it post-2005 after the Top Cow mainline has ended but also before "Legends"

the 2019 Tomb Raider movie is trickier to place as its a retelling of the 2013 game but also.... not? If I had to place it I would put it between the 2013 game and "rise of tomb raider" with the headcanon that after losing Sam Lara throws herself into boxing and cycle couring as a distraction from her grief, and that the end of the movie is the start of her obsession with "Trinity" as seen in "Rise"

the Rev//isioned series is mostly standalone stories, so Id place them in the 2000s probably before "Legends" once again. There is a prequel story, but it also would overcomplicate the lore of Laras education (if we treat everything as canon then she went to like 5 prestigioius academies and flipflopped between being a troublemaker and a lonely bookworm)

Ive seen reloaded, yeah, even have it downloaded onto my phone but havent had a chance to play it yet

also... new trailer !

 
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Thoughts on Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft's "3 years later" thing? Shall we just say it's a Homecoming moment and the flashback is 2013 while the present day is 2018?
 
Pro Bot said:
Thoughts on Tomb Raider: The Legend of Lara Croft's "3 years later" thing? Shall we just say it's a Homecoming moment and the flashback is 2013 while the present day is 2018?
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oh gosh I havent updated this in a while have I.... apologies everyone, life has been a lot


As for the "3 years later" comment I knew they were going to do something like that. Thing is I dont really see the "unified" timeline being the same as the survivor timeline, as a big part of the Survivor timeline is that Laras first exposure to anything supernatural/adventure was in TR13. In "Legends" we see that Lara was already a gun toting adventurer before going to the island, (not to mention im pretty sure Roth has a different death scene).

I think with some squashing (and ignoring of background details and dates in the comics) it is possible that Tomb Raider 2013, Rise of Tomb Raider and Shadow of the tomb raider could have happened one year after another, and i did start trying to work on a timeline that supported that above but then life continued to stop happening.

With regards to the animated series, it had some moments but I found it a bit mediocre tbh, and I forgotten most of it (Lara went to Paris to meet her other super bff? theres a guy who is like an older Lara but evil and has a mind control gem? they teased us with the Lara/Sam plot and then ONLY ADDRESSED IT AS A CLIFFHANGER??)

still im looking forward to the TR 4-6 remake coming out soon!
 
Lucid_Dreamer said:
oh gosh I havent updated this in a while have I.... apologies everyone, life has been a lot


As for the "3 years later" comment I knew they were going to do something like that. Thing is I dont really see the "unified" timeline being the same as the survivor timeline, as a big part of the Survivor timeline is that Laras first exposure to anything supernatural/adventure was in TR13. In "Legends" we see that Lara was already a gun toting adventurer before going to the island, (not to mention im pretty sure Roth has a different death scene).

I think with some squashing (and ignoring of background details and dates in the comics) it is possible that Tomb Raider 2013, Rise of Tomb Raider and Shadow of the tomb raider could have happened one year after another, and i did start trying to work on a timeline that supported that above but then life continued to stop happening.

With regards to the animated series, it had some moments but I found it a bit mediocre tbh, and I forgotten most of it (Lara went to Paris to meet her other super bff? theres a guy who is like an older Lara but evil and has a mind control gem? they teased us with the Lara/Sam plot and then ONLY ADDRESSED IT AS A CLIFFHANGER??)

still im looking forward to the TR 4-6 remake coming out soon!
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returning with the "3 years later" I think we have 2 ways to make it work.

1st Option: Take it as a retcon, basically the tie-in media of the old survivor timeline gets a shorter time span between eachothers.

2nd Option: We consider it a continuity error and leave the 5 years timespan of the survivor trilogy intact.
 
Lucid_Dreamer said:
Mid August - Mid September
Tomb Raider the ten thousand immortals

Late September
Tomb Raider v2 Issue 1-6 Season of the Witch (main story)

2014
February
Tomb Raider v2 Issue 7-12: Secrets and lies (main story)

(roughly) May - July
Tomb Raider v2 Issue 13-18: Queen of serpents
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after reading the novel i come up with this placements:

Chapter 1-3 are set in August 15th
Chapter 4 goes from August 16th to 17th
Chapter 5 starts in August 17th and then time jumps in August 24th
Chapter 6-7 are set on August 26th
Chapter 8-9 are set on August 29th
Chapter 10 goes from August 30th to September 1st
Chapter 11-14 are set on September 1st
Chapter 15-16 are set on September 2nd
Chapter 17 is set on September 4th
Chapter 18 goes from September 4th to 5th
Chapter 19-24 are set on September 5th
Chapter 25 is set on September 6th
Chapter 26 goes from September 6th to 7th
Chapter 27-40 are set on September 7th
Chapter 41 is set on September 11th
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Tomb Raider (2014) #1 is set on September 19th
Tomb Raider (2014) #2 starts on September 19th and then time jumps to September 22nd
Tomb Raider (2014) #3 is set on September 22nd and then time jumps to september 26th
Tomb Raider (2014) #4-5 are set on September 26th
Tomb Raider (2014) #6 goes from September 26th to 27th
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Tomb Raider (2014) #7-12 is same as you
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Tomb Raider (2014) #13-14 are set in May
Tomb Raider (2014) #15-18 are set in June
 
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