The strike is OVER. The S is O!!

What do you think about the WGA Strike?

  • I support the strike

    Votes: 17 60.7%
  • I am against the strike

    Votes: 7 25.0%
  • I am still on the fence

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • I could not care less

    Votes: 2 7.1%

  • Total voters
    28
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

You know the writers are still getting paid for each rerun they aire but the other workers are boned and aint getting jack.


I have more simpathy for the crew than the writers at this point who dont seem to care.
 
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I'm curious Houde. If you were a pro writer, even though i know you aspire to be one, but say you made it big and you were writing for Lost or blairwood was a tv show and you were a writer for the show...would your position change? also in general, would one have to join the WGA if one was a writer for a tv show or script writer for movies?
 
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I have a feeling to work for the studios, you need to join the union. It's how they get you to join the union in the first place, because the networks have a contract with the union, and if you aren't a part of it, you don't have a chance.

But, I also would be writing an animated show, which seems to be exempt from this strike.

Personally, my view wouldn't change. At all. It isn't right for me not to work and cause thousands of other people to go hungry because of it whether or not they supported me.

In short, I would be one of the first to cross the picket line
 
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I have a feeling to work for the studios, you need to join the union. It's how they get you to join the union in the first place, because the networks have a contract with the union, and if you aren't a part of it, you don't have a chance.

But, I also would be writing an animated show, which seems to be exempt from this strike.

Personally, my view wouldn't change. At all. It isn't right for me not to work and cause thousands of other people to go hungry because of it whether or not they supported me.

In short, I would be one of the first to cross the picket line

good point. i guess it's safe to say you would be in that 10%

Yeah, I was wondering about the union thing because if there were those who weren't in the union, we'd probably still be seeing new episodes of The Office and Heroes without cancellation.

If anyone else is interested, I'd like to know if you were in the same position, if your opinion would change at all.
 
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

I have a feeling to work for the studios, you need to join the union. It's how they get you to join the union in the first place, because the networks have a contract with the union, and if you aren't a part of it, you don't have a chance.
As far as I know, you DO need to be part of the WGA to write for the studios. Also, you can't get screen credit without the WGA. I'm not sure if that applies to getting a paycheck, but I'd imagine it does.

From my understanding, this is also why they can't just replace the writers who are on strike nor can they hire writers who aren't on the picket lines, because studios aren't allowed to pay writers or give writing credits to people who arne't part of the WGA.

Since strikes always seem to have some degree of planning between the strikers (writers) and the intended target (studios), I'd imagine that the way this works is that nobody who is part of the WGA can continue writing even if they don't go picketing.

Basically joining the WGA means you have to be at the very minimum, silently cooperating with their plans.
 
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

You know the writers are still getting paid for each rerun they aire but he other workers are boned and aint getting jack.


I have more simpathy for the crew than the writers at this point who dont seem to care.

Venom Melendez gets it.
 
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this already, but did anybody hear about the Pencils Down thingie?

It's kinda ludicrous.

The gesture itself is a little silly, but there is some charity element to it, too, i thought i'd read?
 
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

You know the writers are still getting paid for each rerun they aire but the other workers are boned and aint getting jack.


I have more simpathy for the crew than the writers at this point who dont seem to care.

Yes.

It's a stupid situation that no one seems to be fixing, that doesn't need to be there.
 
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Yeah, no one's winning here.
 
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Here's an interesting article from the TV Guide Strike Watch Blog. The two sides are basically giving their points of view on the recent "negotiations." (I would just post a link to the page, but since it's a blog, there's no telling when it will change and the post will become completely reduntant. Which it may already be, knowing my checkered past).

"AMPTP Breaks off Negotiations

Today, after three days of discussions, the AMPTP came back to us with a proposal that included a total rejection of our proposal on Internet streaming of December 3.

They are holding to their offer of a $250 fixed residual for unlimited one year streaming after a six-week window of free use. They still insist on the DVD rate for Internet downloads.

They refuse to cover original material made for new media.

This offer was accompanied by an ultimatum: the AMPTP demands we give up several of our proposals, including Fair Market Value (our protection against vertical integration and self-dealing), animation, reality, and, most crucially, any proposal that uses distributor's gross as a basis for residuals. This would require us to concede most of our Internet proposal as a precondition for continued bargaining. The AMPTP insists we let them do to the Internet what they did to home video.

We received a similar ultimatum through back channels prior to the discussions of November 4. At that time, we were assured that if we took DVD's off the table, we would get a fair offer on new media issues. That offer never materialized.

We reject the idea of an ultimatum. Although a number of items we have on the table are negotiable, we cannot be forced to bargain with ourselves. The AMPTP has many proposals on the table that are unacceptable to writers, but we have never delivered ultimatums.

As we prepared our counter-offer, at 6:05 p.m., Nick Counter came and said to us, in the mediator's presence: "We are leaving. When you write us a letter saying you will take all these items off the table, we will reschedule negotiations with you." Within minutes, the AMPTP had posted a lengthy statement announcing the breakdown of negotiations.

We remain ready and willing to negotiate, no matter how intransigent our bargaining partners are, because the stakes are simply too high. We were prepared to counter their proposal tonight, and when any of them are ready to return to the table, we're here, ready to make a fair deal.

[Signed]
John F. Bowman
Chairman, WGA Negotiating Committee"



And here's the AMPTP's side of things:

"We're disappointed to report that talks between the AMPTP and WGA have broken down yet again. Quite frankly, we're puzzled and disheartened by an ongoing WGA negotiating strategy that seems designed to delay or derail talks rather than facilitate an end to this strike. Union negotiators in our industry have successfully concluded 306 major agreements with the AMPTP since its inception in 1982. The WGA organizers sitting across the table from us have never concluded even one industry accord.

We believe our New Economic Partnership proposal, which would increase the average working writer's salary to more than $230,000 a year, makes it possible to find common ground. And we have proved over the last five months that we want writers to participate in producers' revenues, including in theatrical and television streaming, as well as other areas of new media. However, under no circumstances will we knowingly participate in the destruction of this business.


While the WGA's organizers can clearly stage rallies, concerts and mock exorcisms, we have serious concerns about whether they're capable of reaching reasonable compromises that are in the best interests of our entire industry.

It is now absolutely clear that the WGA's organizers are determined to advance their own political ideologies and personal agendas at the expense of working writers and every other working person who depends on our industry for their livelihoods.

Instead of negotiating, the WGA organizers have made unreasonable demands that are roadblocks to real progress:

• They demand full control over reality television and animation. In other words, they want us to make membership in their union mandatory to work in this industry — even though thousands of people in reality and animation have already chosen not to join the WGA.

• They demand restrictions designed to prevent networks from airing any reality programs unless they are produced under terms in keeping with the WGA agreement. This would apply even to producers who are not associated with the Guild. Their proposal artificially limits competition and most likely would not withstand legal challenge.

• The WGA organizers are demanding the right to ignore their bargained "no strike" provision, allowing them to join in strikes of other labor organizations.

• Their proposal for Internet compensation could actually cost producers more than they receive in revenues, thereby dooming the Internet media business before it ever gets started.

• They insist that writers receive a piece of advertising revenue — even though the producers that pay them don't receive any of this revenue in the first place.

• They want a third party to set an artificial value on transactions, rather that allowing the market to determine the worth of each transaction. This would result in producers having to pay residuals on money that the producers never even received.

These are the terms the WGA organizers demand for ending the strike — money that doesn't exist, restrictions that are legally dubious, and control over people who have refused to join their union.

Besides betraying a fundamental misunderstanding of the economics of new media, such as a streaming proposal that would require us to give them more money than we make ourselves, the WGA organizers are on an ideological mission far removed from the interests of their members.

Their Quixotic pursuit of radical demands led them to begin this strike, and now has caused this breakdown in negotiations. We hope that the WGA will come back to this table with a rational plan that can lead us to a fair and equitable resolution to a strike that is causing so much distress for so many people in our industry and community."


I don't know, maybe it's just the rhetoric, but the AMPTP seem, to me, to be making a lot more sense. I'm still kind of ambivalent about this whole thing - I really don't know enough about economics or really anything involving the WGA to make an informed decision, which is why I haven't voted in the poll. I guess my feeling is, "whatever happens, I hope it happens quickly." For better or worse, the WGA is going to HAVE to compromise on several of their points. If they went into this thing thinking they were going to get everything they asked for . . . well, that's just kind of dumb, in a compromise situation. And if things continue the way they have been going, this strike will last a looooong time.
 
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I don't know, maybe it's just the rhetoric, but the AMPTP seem, to me, to be making a lot more sense. I'm still kind of ambivalent about this whole thing - I really don't know enough about economics or really anything involving the WGA to make an informed decision, which is why I haven't voted in the poll. I guess my feeling is, "whatever happens, I hope it happens quickly." For better or worse, the WGA is going to HAVE to compromise on several of their points. If they went into this thing thinking they were going to get everything they asked for . . . well, that's just kind of dumb, in a compromise situation. And if things continue the way they have been going, this strike will last a looooong time.

Maybe its the fact that the AMPTP actually laid out the facts compared to the WGA's vague statement, but I'm starting to agree. I'm all for fair wages and compensation, as you can see with some of my arguments in this thread, but some of these things seem a bit ridiculous if the WGA is demanding them. I'm also starting to lean towards E's position that other people in the industry are really starting to suffer for this. It also might be because I'm just getting really sick of the damn strike.

The WGA needs to meet the AMPTP in the middle. That's the only way this will get resolved. I'm just starting to fear that, because the WGA generally has the public and actors behind them, they're starting to become arrogant.
 
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These are the terms the WGA organizers demand for ending the strike — money that doesn't exist...

This, I think, is what's stopping the negotiations.

There is a lot of money, enough to pay everyone, but at the moment, one group is getting it and the other isn't. So the money "exists", but those who have it don't want to give any of it up or share it (depending on your view point).

In the new media (internet and downloads) because all they have are projections as opposed to actual revenues, they're going, "well, we don't know how much we'll make so we don't want to give you much of anything for fear of cutting into our profits". That's essentially the whole thing.

If there's $100 and the writers are getting $4 and the other $96 is going elsewhere, if they want $4 more, then someone else has to lose $4.

And while they argue, no one's gonna be making much of anything.

Considering how the WGA has a record of factionalizing and breaking down and accepting whatever ****ty deal they're given at the 11th hour, I find it hard to believe that they're asking for 'too much' or 'money that doesn't exist'.

Someone can do without their private jet for a year.
 
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• They demand full control over reality television and animation. In other words, they want us to make membership in their union mandatory to work in this industry — even though thousands of people in reality and animation have already chosen not to join the WGA.

• They demand restrictions designed to prevent networks from airing any reality programs unless they are produced under terms in keeping with the WGA agreement. This would apply even to producers who are not associated with the Guild. Their proposal artificially limits competition and most likely would not withstand legal challenge.

• The WGA organizers are demanding the right to ignore their bargained "no strike" provision, allowing them to join in strikes of other labor organizations.

These three terms upsets me the most. This shows that the strike is more than about the money, they want to have control over all TV shows and movies. If this is true, then I'm more with the producers than the writers on this. They are trying to get a monopoly over the shows so further strikes can go their way. I knew this had to be more about the money.

• Their proposal for Internet compensation could actually cost producers more than they receive in revenues, thereby dooming the Internet media business before it ever gets started.

• They insist that writers receive a piece of advertising revenue — even though the producers that pay them don't receive any of this revenue in the first place.

• They want a third party to set an artificial value on transactions, rather that allowing the market to determine the worth of each transaction. This would result in producers having to pay residuals on money that the producers never even received.

These are the terms the WGA organizers demand for ending the strike — money that doesn't exist, restrictions that are legally dubious, and control over people who have refused to join their union.

I can see the advertising revenue sometimes not being there at all. If no one visits what you wrote online, yet you are demanding to be compensated for it, they would lose out of alot of cash here.
 
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

• They demand full control over reality television and animation. In other words, they want us to make membership in their union mandatory to work in this industry — even though thousands of people in reality and animation have already chosen not to join the WGA.

• They demand restrictions designed to prevent networks from airing any reality programs unless they are produced under terms in keeping with the WGA agreement. This would apply even to producers who are not associated with the Guild. Their proposal artificially limits competition and most likely would not withstand legal challenge.

Y'all know how i feel about this strike, but this does seem extreme to me.

• The WGA organizers are demanding the right to ignore their bargained "no strike" provision, allowing them to join in strikes of other labor organizations.

This, though important, is not crucial, and may be something else they'll need to concede in order to move on. Currently the SAG (actors) contract states that you are required to go to work even in the midst of another union's strike, but as you all know, there are many who aren't abiding by this.

• Their proposal for Internet compensation could actually cost producers more than they receive in revenues, thereby dooming the Internet media business before it ever gets started.

• They insist that writers receive a piece of advertising revenue — even though the producers that pay them don't receive any of this revenue in the first place.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is total BS.
 

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