The Shovel Knight Shared Universe - Timeline

moving from Battletoads, the shovel knight games are way simpler as all of them take place within days.

So all of them take place within the same year.
 
so from a timeline standpoint this is shovel knight Timeline! (Also keep in mind that Shovel of Hope takes place DURING God of War III, during Kratos on the city of Olympia's section).

Shovel Knight Dig -Day 1
Shovel Knight Spectre of Torment Flashbacks - Day 2-5
Shovel Knight King of Cards - Day 6-15
Shovel Knight Spectre of Torment Day 10-19
Shovel Knight Showdown Day 19
Shovel Knight Shovel of Hope Day 20-30 (Kratos and the Battletoads are fought on Day 26)
Shovel Knight Plague of Shadows Day 20-30
Shovel Knight Pocket Dungeon Day 29

As you can see it was simple. The real problem is how to place them on the Simplified Order without causing spoilers. Ofc Plague of Shadows has to be played after Shovel of Hope. But IDK about the rest!

Also I saw some people who places The Series the same year that Kratos arrives to Midgard (or Scandinavia) based on his cloak which he had in Fallen God. I placed it during God of War III based on his move sets and items he has, the fact that he talks about Athena like they're working together and the fact that in Raganrok Kratos said that he lost his magic after GoWIII.

What do you think is a better placement?

Consider that if we go with the Shovel Knight games being set During GoWIII we have to bring Fallen God to the mix as it happens during the game events also.

if we say that Shovel Knight fought kratos after GoWIII then the Shovel Knight Series is set between Fallen God and Battletoads 2020.
 
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and now dealing with the Elephant in the room, The GoWII Time Loop.

I see people saying that Kratos going back in time created another timeline, but that isn't true!

In Atlas flashback we see the titans get transported to the present.

This means that the time travel happens withing a single timeline.

I also saw some theories saying that GoWII and III happens at the same time, but this is also not true, as Kratos brings the titans to the PRESENT, not after the fight with Zeus, this means that still all the events from GoWII happened, only the POV of the fight is different, from Kratos' POV GoWIII happens soon after the fight, from Zeus' POV it happens some days after it, enough time to destroy Sparta for search a marked warrior that almost killed him, also pointing out that Zeus doesnn't have the Blade of Olympus when he destroys Sparta, nor the weapons appears at all after the intro of the game (aside the flashbacks and the final fight that takes place during the intro).

there's only 1 issue, the Athena staute cos if what i say it's true, then Athena should be already dead, tho since in GoWIII she returns as a ghost, she probably told him to not trust Gaia, cos she wanted to manipulate him for her own plans, as she did in GoWIII after Gaia betrays Kratos, and she did it as a Statue even tho he was a God, so he should not be hidden from seeing another god, for not creating a time paradox on her death, as it made her plans simpler.

That's my conclusion, if you find smt that doesn't make sense just tell me. That's the best I could have come to.

The only thing that could destroy everything is the GoWII novel, as it has a subplot about Hermes on Olympus. (Yeah both the 1st and 2nd game novels have extra scenes with Gods talking about Olympus).
 
i just found smt that conflicts with the dates findings we got (Hercules' Labors vs. The Troyan War), tho i'm tired and i'll go to sleep and tell you all about this tomorrow.

P.S. Dw this still doesn't affect The Norse Saga's dates, only The Greek Saga and Battletoads.
 
ok so in the Novel adaptation of the 1st game, Zeus and Athena have a conversation claiming that the Troyan war already happened. So this means that GoW (2005) should be after that!

So, if we take Hercules' labors as the true date we'll have still Betrayal and GoWII and III undated.

If we take the Troyan War as canon, we have a date we can work with fortunaly, as in the Multyplayer mode of Ascension there is a map set during the conflict, so in this case would mean that Ghost of Sparta and Betrayal would be undated.

So what you guys prefer to take as canon?
 
Changing the subject to Battletoads (sorry), but, the 2020 game says they have been trapped in a simulation for 26 years? Does that mean that the titles released between 1991-1994 happened for real?
 
so since we know that between GoWI and GoWII there is a time span of 12.6 years, it's time to find when these 3 medias are set: Greek Comics, Ghost of Sparta and Betrayal.

- the Greek Comics takes place soon after the ending of GoWI, so it's the same year.
- In Ghost of Sparta there is the sinking of Atlantis, but didn't found a date for it.
- Betrayal as to take place after the ending but before the post credit scene of Ghost of Sparta. So I would say not too distant from GoWII
 
Jozaca said:
Changing the subject to Battletoads (sorry), but, the 2020 game says they have been trapped in a simulation for 26 years? Does that mean that the titles released between 1991-1994 happened for real?
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nope, BT uses a lot of meta.

The game was released in 2020, 2020-26=1994.
 
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so since we know that between GoWI and GoWII there is a time span of 12.6 years, it's time to find when these 3 medias are set: Greek Comics, Ghost of Sparta and Betrayal.

- the Greek Comics takes place soon after the ending of GoWI, so it's the same year.
- In Ghost of Sparta there is the sinking of Atlantis, but didn't found a date for it.
- Betrayal as to take place after the ending but before the post credit scene of Ghost of Sparta. So I would say not too distant from GoWII
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ok let's take this with another route. The wiki also seems to imply that the Atlantis of Ghost of Sparta isn't the real one cos it's set in a different location... So ehm.. let's go with Deimos! In the wiki his age is listed as 50+. Let's say that Deimos is born the same year as Kratos (IK he looks younger in the flashbacks, but follow me).

Kratos took part on the Troyan War, so he must be at least 18 years old when it started so 1194+18=1212 BCE. ok now we have Kratos and Deimos' birth year, so if the wiki is right he must be at least 50. so 1212-50=1162 BCE.

Considering that Ascension happens in the final year of the Troyan War, so 1184 BCE.

GoWI is 10 years after that, so 1174 BCE.

and GoWII is 12.6 years after that so 1161.4 BCE.

it means that Ghost of Sparta must be 12 years after GoWI, and so betrayal and the post-credit scene of Ghost of Sparta could be set in a non specific moment of 1161 BCE. So we can add Betryal as happening within the same year as GoWII and III, the Egypt comics (maybe) and the Shovel Knight Series.

Guys it makes sense to you or not?
 
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Megatron said:
nope, BT uses a lot of meta.

The game was released in 2020, 2020-26=1994.
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I don't understand your answer.

Yes, BT uses a lot of meta. Precisely, the 26 years reference is a meta reference that seems to imply that even in BT doesn't happen in release year, the timeskip is the same that the one in the real world.

2020-26=1994. Yes, so, that's actually what I said. The original BT came out in 1991.
 
Megatron said:
ok let's take this with another route. The wiki also seems to imply that the Atlantis of Ghost of Sparta isn't the real one cos it's set in a different location... So ehm.. let's go with Deimos! In the wiki his age is listed as 50+. Let's say that Deimos is born the same year as Kratos (IK he looks younger in the flashbacks, but follow me).

Kratos took part on the Troyan War, so he must be at least 18 years old when it started so 1194+18=1212 BCE. ok now we have Kratos and Deimos' birth year, so if the wiki is right he must be at least 50. so 1212-50=1162 BCE.

Considering that Ascension happens in the final year of the Troyan War, so 1184 BCE.

GoWI is 10 years after that, so 1174 BCE.

and GoWII is 12.6 years after that so 1161.4 BCE.

it means that Ghost of Sparta must be 12 years after GoWI, and so betrayal and the post-credit scene of Ghost of Sparta could be set in a non specific moment of 1261 BCE. So we can add Betryal as happening within the same year as GoWII and III, the Egypt comics (maybe) and the Shovel Knight Series.

Guys it makes sense to you or not?
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also if we really want it betrayal could happen soon before GoWII as he is framed in that game, rising the tension between him and the gods.
 
Jozaca said:
I don't understand your answer.

Yes, BT uses a lot of meta. Precisely, the 26 years reference is a meta reference that seems to imply that even in BT doesn't happen in release year, the timeskip is the same that the one in the real world.

2020-26=1994. Yes, so, that's actually what I said. The original BT came out in 1991.
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i meant that the last game was released in 1994, and BT 2020 happens 26 years after that game, if the 1994 is in a "simulatioon" how it's called in that world, than the other games are set in there too.
 
Megatron said:
i meant that the last game was released in 1994, and BT 2020 happens 26 years after that game, if the 1994 is in a "simulatioon" how it's called in that world, than the other games are set in there too.
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So, it doesn't imply that any BT game is a simulation? Only their cameos during the timeskip?
 
and speaking of BT now the original series is set between GoWI and GoS, as their appearence in Shovel of Hope happens 10 years after their last game, and since it's set during GoWIII it's set in 1161 BCE, the 2020 game came out 6 years after Shovel of Hope so 1161-6=1155 BCE. And finally let's count the 26 years, we get 1155+26=1181 BCE!

Ok this was unexpected anyways, so since the 1994 games is set in 1181 BCE, considering the meta aspect of it, the 1st game was released in 1991, so 3 years erlier, 1181+3=1184 BCE.

Ok so Ascension and the 1st Game happens at the same time

Chain of Olympus is 5 years after ascension so 1184-5= 1179 BCE, so it means that all of the Battletoads original series starts during ascension and then they end 2 years before Chains of Olympus.
 
Jozaca said:
So, it doesn't imply that any BT game is a simulation? Only their cameos during the timeskip?
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i'm just taking the simulation thing as like Whinnie the Pooh in Kingdom Hearts, cos i can't stand God of War being a simulation. Looking at this angle, the term "simulation" is what the BT' world uses to refers to the "realms" in the GoW/SK universe.
 
-How do we know it happens 10 years after their last game?
-Can the cameos be after Battletoads (2020)?
-One of the Battletoads appeared in the 2013 remake of Killer Instict
-Can we be sure there is no time travel involved? I mean, doesn't look weird that Battletoads happens in a futuristic world (thought I guess if they are in another planned it can be explained), Shovel Knight in the middle ages and GoW (at least the part that happens in Shovel Knight) in Ancient Greece?
 
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