Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)

eloesch289 said:
not to mention the whole america chavez conundrum…
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I hardly see America Chavez as an issue bc even her comic counterpart was thought to be unique and without variants until Secret Wars where she interacts with her Marvel Rising counterpart. MCU America not dreaming says less about her having variants and more about the concreteness of Defender Strange's Dream Theory
 
It was fine and easily the weakest of the season so far. I don't usually harp on MCU Humor (it's usually either harmless or funny to me) but What If can especially overdo it, and Alexei might've been the biggest offender.

• At first I found it odd that Bucky could fight through the conditioning so easily and actually show emotion, but I assume the reason is that he's had over 2 decades less of brainwashing (and very little with the Trigger Words). I think the most intriguing part was Stane ordering the hit on the Starks in exchange for Hydra intel, since that's the type of thing that can have Main Timeline implications.

• While it's possible that Tony still becomes Iron Man and Natasha eventually becomes an Avenger through some nebulous chain of events that keeps things similar, I would've preferred a different lineup reflecting the changes.

• AoS Mockingbird would be my top pick but that's Timmy Turner levels of wishful thinking. Alternatively I could see Wasp being a member, like the Captain Carter episode/Avengers 2012 drafts before Black Widow, and Black Panther being there since T'Challa became Black Panther around the same time as Tony's reveal (would have been BP 4 years atp)
 
BabyBomber said:
I hardly see America Chavez as an issue bc even her comic counterpart was thought to be unique and without variants until Secret Wars where she interacts with her Marvel Rising counterpart. MCU America not dreaming says less about her having variants and more about the concreteness of Defender Strange's Dream Theory
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America Chavez

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She has many more variants
 
BabyBomber said:
It was fine and easily the weakest of the season so far. I don't usually harp on MCU Humor (it's usually either harmless or funny to me) but What If can especially overdo it, and Alexei might've been the biggest offender.

• At first I found it odd that Bucky could fight through the conditioning so easily and actually show emotion, but I assume the reason is that he's had over 2 decades less of brainwashing (and very little with the Trigger Words). I think the most intriguing part was Stane ordering the hit on the Starks in exchange for Hydra intel, since that's the type of thing that can have Main Timeline implications.

• While it's possible that Tony still becomes Iron Man and Natasha eventually becomes an Avenger through some nebulous chain of events that keeps things similar, I would've preferred a different lineup reflecting the changes.

• AoS Mockingbird would be my top pick but that's Timmy Turner levels of wishful thinking. Alternatively I could see Wasp being a member, like the Captain Carter episode/Avengers 2012 drafts before Black Widow, and Black Panther being there since T'Challa became Black Panther around the same time as Tony's reveal (would have been BP 4 years atp)
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The series tries to match the energy of the movies' humor but overdoes it. It's almost at parody levels, and most of the jokes are not as funny as the ones in the movies.

Also, I feel that the premises for a lot of these episodes are often a bit too random. The old What If comics occasionally had out there concepts as well but most of its stories were straightforward, like What If Hulk retained the brain of Bruce Banner, What If Uncle Ben didn't die etc.

Furthermore, the fight scenes for the first two episodes weren't very good either (I haven't yet watched the third episode). Agatha vs Arishem just devolves into them just punching each other.
 
BB10 said:
The series tries to match the energy of the movies' humor but overdoes it. It's almost at parody levels, and most of the jokes are not as funny as the ones in the movies.
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definitely feeling this, especially in episodes like 1x6, 1x7, 2x4, 2x7, and 3x2 and 3x3 especially
 
eloesch289 said:
definitely feeling this, especially in episodes like 1x6, 1x7, 2x4, 2x7, and 3x2 and 3x3 especially
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Party Thor I can understand being at parody levels bc that's what it borderline is, but the Zombies one and even this episode were easily the worst with it
 
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So just finished episode 3 of What If S03 it was alright.
Here is what I have timeline wise:

Loki S02

—(Earth-616/199999 Branched Timelines)—

What If...? S01E01 - S01E03
What If...? S02E04
What If...? S02E04 Mid-Credits Scene
What If...? S01E04 - S01E09
What If...? S01E09 Mid-Credits Scene
What If...? S02E05
…
Eternals
Shang-Chi
…
What If...? S02E01 (2019)?

What If...? S02E02 (1988)
What If...? S03E03 (1991)
What If...? S02E03 (2014)

What If...? S02E01 (2019)?

What If...? S02E07
What If...? S02E06
What If...? S02E08 - S02E09
…
Hawkeye S01
Moon Knight S01
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
The Marvels
…
What If...? S03E06 (1872)?

What If...? S03E02 (1947)

What If...? S03E04 (after 2010)?

What If...? S03E01 (2024)

What If...? S03E05 (2023/2024/2025)?

What If...? S03E07 - S03E08

I'm reevaluating putting the majority of season 2 of what if right after season 1 because you need to have some knowledge of wenwu and Tao Lo from Shang chi and that doesn't happen until later in the 616 timeline so I don't know where to put ep 1 onwards in between Shang Chi and Hawkeye S01 so somewhere in 2024 and season 3 idk whether to put it before GotG 3 and Deadpool 3 and Agatha because nothing from those have had any mention in what if so do I put it at the start of 2026 or the end of 2026.
 
BB10 said:
The series tries to match the energy of the movies' humor but overdoes it. It's almost at parody levels, and most of the jokes are not as funny as the ones in the movies.

Also, I feel that the premises for a lot of these episodes are often a bit too random. The old What If comics occasionally had out there concepts as well but most of its stories were straightforward, like What If Hulk retained the brain of Bruce Banner, What If Uncle Ben didn't die etc.

Furthermore, the fight scenes for the first two episodes weren't very good either (I haven't yet watched the third episode). Agatha vs Arishem just devolves into them just punching each other.
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I definitely wish there was more of a Magic vs Cosmic feel to their fight but her playing Arishem like Wanda did her in the mainverse coupled with how amazing Cosmic Queen Harkness looked mitigated it for me

But yea some of the humor feels like they're unnecessarily cramming a movie's worth of humor into the short episodes which kinda coincides with my longstanding wish for some of these episodes to be longer to help with pacing.

I'd also prefer more straightforward ones (Captain Carter, Ultron winning, etc.) but I'm more than happy with the more "out there" ones when there's reason to it (Star-Lord T'Challa, Mech Avengers, Zombies, Kahhori, Avengers Assassinated, Hollywood Agatha etc.) What I take issue with are the straightforward ones having random elements like Only Child Thor and Nova Corp Nebula

I can somewhat excuse Married Howard being completely random bc it's just building on the Party Thor one
 
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so far as far as timeline placements per episode for this season goes:

- 1 - starts in april 2014 with the running scene from the winter soldier with the current day events occurring april 2024

- 2 - sometime from august 1947-august 1949

- 3 - december 16-17, 1991
 
BabyBomber said:
I expected What If Agatha went to Hollywood to be one of the worst episodes and this might be one of my favorite episodes period bruh

• Classical Hollywood aesthetic with the intro, outro, and her absorbing Tiamat (he just can't catch a break)

• Focuses on 2 Phase 4 characters

• An awesome blend of the magic and cosmic sides of MCU

• Remembering the Eternals exist

• Agatha being Kro but hot

• Seeing Arishem again and even him in action

• It mogs the last one and this is the type of stuff I want out of What If. I thought it was a nice touch that Watcher's narration mirrored the text in the opening of Eternals
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And let's not forget that it reinforces Agent Carter being canon to the MCU due to Howard owing a movie studio (something established in Season 2 of AC) and James D'Arcy reprising his role as Jarvis for the episode. Definitely went from my second least anticipated episode to one of my favourites.
 
BabyBomber said:
It was fine and easily the weakest of the season so far. I don't usually harp on MCU Humor (it's usually either harmless or funny to me) but What If can especially overdo it, and Alexei might've been the biggest offender.

• At first I found it odd that Bucky could fight through the conditioning so easily and actually show emotion, but I assume the reason is that he's had over 2 decades less of brainwashing (and very little with the Trigger Words). I think the most intriguing part was Stane ordering the hit on the Starks in exchange for Hydra intel, since that's the type of thing that can have Main Timeline implications.

• While it's possible that Tony still becomes Iron Man and Natasha eventually becomes an Avenger through some nebulous chain of events that keeps things similar, I would've preferred a different lineup reflecting the changes.

• AoS Mockingbird would be my top pick but that's Timmy Turner levels of wishful thinking. Alternatively I could see Wasp being a member, like the Captain Carter episode/Avengers 2012 drafts before Black Widow, and Black Panther being there since T'Challa became Black Panther around the same time as Tony's reveal (would have been BP 4 years atp)
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Ehhhh, I liked this episode. Call me silly, but I like Red Guardian, and David Harbour clearly has that energy with portraying him.
 
BabyBomber said:
Was doing some digging and found in a, now deleted, Marvel.com page (thx Wayback Machine) that Iron Man/Hulk Heroes United can potentially fit between Avengers and what would become Age of Ultron. https://web.archive.org/web/2016041...k_unite_for_the_holidays_in_new_animated_film Now obviously this isn't canon to the main MCU but it got me curious. Besides LEGO and the GOTG Cartoon what non-Marvel Studios projects can be considered MCU-Adjacent? By that I mean things that treat/are mentioned as having MCU-inspired content/events as part of its continuity
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None of that is adjacent; like how when the comics use MCU designs those aren't adjacent in any way.

If you wanna get technical, all things Marvel from this to the Ren & Stimpy universe of Earth-92157 are all adjacent. In the broadest possible sense.
 
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selfishmisery said:
None of that is adjacent; like how when the comics use MCU designs those aren't adjacent in any way.

If you wanna get technical, all things Marvel from this to the Ren & Stimpy universe of Earth-92157 are all adjacent. In the broadest possible sense.
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I'm using "adjacent" to denote that the events of the MCU movie(s) played out basically the same way. LEGO flat out adapted some of them and the GOTG cartoon treats the film's events as having happened. Not just in the synergy sense.
 
JudgeDreddpool said:
And let's not forget that it reinforces Agent Carter being canon to the MCU due to Howard owing a movie studio (something established in Season 2 of AC) and James D'Arcy reprising his role as Jarvis for the episode. Definitely went from my second least anticipated episode to one of my favourites.
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Yea I've been hip hip hooraying over Stark Pictures' return since the synopsis dropped. James D'Arcy returning was definitely the cherry on top
 
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