Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)


Beat me to it haha yeah this was definitely a dumb decision to cut this out as it literally answers the question of when Rhodey was taken in Secret Invasion. Hard Canon to me so putting it around Ep1 of TFATWS.

Btw he was probably taken sometime in very early 2024 (January - March) as Ep1 occurs in April 2024
 
I think Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man should be included. It's a branched timeline. It's essentially a really long What If...? episode.
True. That's how I see it.
It also doesn't come with the baggage of something like X-Men '97 having decades old episodes that weren't planned to be a part of the MCU Multiverse.
 
X-Men '97 is not an MCU branch and is part of an existing universe that includes X-Men (1992-1997) and Spider-Man (1994-1998). It's also less connected than the literal Marvel movie universes that have crossed over now, and they're not included.

Meanwhile, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is clearly an MCU spin-off, telling a sidestory in a branched timeline around the events of Captain America: Civil War, remixing existing MCU characters like Daredevil, Iron Man and Doctor Strange. It's been treated as part of the franchise since the start.
 
X-Men '97 is not an MCU branch and is part of an existing universe that includes X-Men (1992-1997) and Spider-Man (1994-1998). It's also less connected than the literal Marvel movie universes that have crossed over now, and they're not included.

Meanwhile, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is clearly an MCU spin-off, telling a sidestory in a branched timeline around the events of Captain America: Civil War, remixing existing MCU characters like Daredevil, Iron Man and Doctor Strange. It's been treated as part of the franchise since the start.
I feel if Marvel Studios saw it like What-If they would have included it in the Disney + timeline like What-If is. I think there has to be a reason they're considering it as being separate. My theory is they see it more as a universe inspired by the MCU that has Easter eggs from it, but that didn't necessarily branch from it the same way the ones from What-If did. I still personally don't beleive characters like Norman or Otto exist in the MCU. And for me being part of the franchise and being part of the timeline are two separate things.
 
I feel if Marvel Studios saw it like What-If they would have included it in the Disney + timeline like What-If is. I think there has to be a reason they're considering it as being separate. My theory is they see it more as a universe inspired by the MCU that has Easter eggs from it, but that didn't necessarily branch from it the same way the ones from What-If did. I still personally don't beleive characters like Norman or Otto exist in the MCU. And for me being part of the franchise and being part of the timeline are two separate things.
But its not part of the sacred timeline....
 
Neither is D&W or What-If but there seems to be a reason why Marvel chose to put them on the Disney + timeline while leaving off X-Men 97 and YFNSM.
I still theorize maybe they're planning something with Immortus from the original show and he's "He Who Remains" who ultimately clips off a timeline into it's own section in the multiverse. Essentially this puts it ENTIRELY before the MCU.

But we'll see.

 
I still theorize maybe they're planning something with Immortus from the original show and he's "He Who Remains" who ultimately clips off a timeline into it's own section in the multiverse. Essentially this puts it ENTIRELY before the MCU.

But we'll see.

If the leaked Kang Dynasty script is to be believed, then I'm pretty confident that was one of the plot points mentioned. Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure.
 
Yeah that's what was debated. While it was originally announced as part of it the premise of the series changed and since there hasn't been an official comment stating it as part of the MCU. Like X-Men '97 on Disney+ it is included in The Multiverse Saga with the rest of Marvel Studios products but it wasn't ommited from the MCU Timeline despite other Multiverse based stories being included like Loki, What If and Deadpool & Wolverine. So it was decided to tentatively not include the series in this timeline due to it since it's announcement being distanced from the MCU timeline until it's status as "part of the franchise" and not just part of the multiverse becomes more clear.

My thoughts, at Comic-Con we'll likely get a nice look at the Phase 5 updated slate and see if YFNSM remains on it and if it is that would convince me Marvel Studios views the series as a part of the MCU franchise unlike X-Men '97 despite its removal from the Disney+ timeline

Like I said personally I'm going to watch it with the MCU when I do my annual rewatch because I just enjoy the show regardless like X-Men '97 as honorary inclusions
I think on SDCC it will go like last time -> 2 panels: one for Marvel Studios, which shows slate with phases mentioned and second Animation panel, where they dont mention phases at all.
If I remember correctly only time they showed What If on Phase slate was during 2019 on SDCC and D23, where S1 of What If was listed on Phase 4 slate.
Since then they separated Animation shows and dont arrange them to phases.
 
I've noticed with Marvel Cinematic Universe compared to the Arrowverse or DC on the live-action side of things in general...DC really leaves their 'answers' or loose end resolutions to the imagination FAR more than Marvel.

Marvel will eventually acknowledge a vast majority of set-ups/loose-ends.
 
What do you think about put Secret Invasion in August and consequently The Marvels in September?, like A Bit of Everything put in his timeline, since now with BNW, there was an election on November 3, 2026, so Secret Invasion has to occur before November, thus making Unity Day in the MCU in August. It's just a idea I have.
 

I like that they kept certain details from the Runaways show consistent over in this timeline.
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Donovan's diverging point might be that he just didn't get the funds or help he needed to get through law school and had to survive on the streets.
 
What do you think about put Secret Invasion in August and consequently The Marvels in September?, like A Bit of Everything put in his timeline, since now with BNW, there was an election on November 3, 2026, so Secret Invasion has to occur before November, thus making Unity Day in the MCU in August. It's just a idea I have.
what about a much more radical approach - sliding secret invasion and the marvels back into november-december 2025? i know the d+ timeline order is pretty much the be-all end-all in terms of accuracy up until this point but when the timeline book came out the d+ timeline order did make small adjustments to line up with it and personally i can totally see a second edition of the timeline book prompting further adjustments

pro-2025 points:
- the multiple references to "30 years ago" in secret invasion from the events of captain marvel in 1995
- keeps the gap from the end of ms. marvel to the marvels relatively short
- kamala and kate's ages would line up properly (kamala is 16 during the events of ms. marvel in 2025 so she'd still be 16, kate is 22 during the events of hawkeye in december 2024 so she'd still be 23)
- secret invasion occurring in 2025 allows it to be happening during unity day without conflicting with the us election and makes the one-term president stuff make much more sense, as ritson's approval ratings would plummet following his speech leading ross to gain in the polls despite his shaky past and eventually win the election the next year

pro-2026 points:
- fury's "30-something years" definitely seems to indicate a slightly longer gap of time than 30 years exactly, but also could be an off-handed embellishment for the sake of his argument
- kamala's "did you know ant-man has a daughter" suggests she's been active in the field before, however this could also be taken as cassie not yet taking on the stature role meaning she wouldnt be well-known publicly
- ritson's kill-all-aliens-on-sight orders would be active during the guardians holiday special (which to me isnt a problem, as the police do open fire on drax and mantis pretty much immediately lol, but i do remember this topic being a source of discourse)
 
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what about a more radical approach - sliding secret invasion and the marvels back into november-december 2025? i know the d+ timeline order is pretty much the be-all end-all in terms of accuracy up until this point but when the timeline book came out the d+ timeline order did make small adjustments to line up with it and personally i can totally see a second edition of the timeline book prompting further adjustments
I have a feeling that they will just ignore Secret Invasion and move on, so that's why I have this idea of change Secret Invasion to be in August 2026, instead of November 2026. I don't think they will change the timeline order in Disney+ or in a new timeline book edition, I could be wrong, but we will see when BNW come to Disney+, I think they will just put BNW after Agatha All Along and that is it, but for me I think move SI to be August 2026, 3 months before election fits better to BNW and about Fury's line about Ritson's one term, because it is a election year. And move The Marvels to early September 2026 fixes Kamala's age error, since The Marvels occurs before Kamala's 17th anniversary (and consequently before Kate Bishop's 24th birthday, which is in December 11), which is in September 10, she have 16 years old in the movie, like we see in her "super hero animated story" with Captain Marvel.
 
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I like that they kept certain details from the Runaways show consistent over in this timeline.
Noice...
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Donovan's diverging point might be that he just didn't get the funds or help he needed to get through law school and had to survive on the streets.
You know what, I could probably see that happening.
 
I vote for NOT moving Secret Invasion to 2025, as I think it would be better to keep order in line with D+ timeline. (so after GoG 3, before Marvels)
As that is what they will use as baseline for further development.
We know Marvel Studios hired timeline employee, so I think they have order in mind for all new stuff and they wont re-adjust it. (https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-studios-mcu-timeline-official-exclusive)

So I would say we can adjust dates but keep order of projects to match D+ timeline/book.

I have a feeling that they will just ignore Secret Invasion and move on, so that's why I have this idea of change Secret Invasion to be in August 2026, instead of November 2026. I don't think they will change the timeline order in Disney+ or in a new timeline book edition, I could be wrong, but we will see when BNW come to Disney+, I think they will just put BNW after Agatha All Along and that is it, but for me I think move SI to be August 2026, 3 months before election fits better to BNW and about Fury's line about Ritson's one term, because it is a election year. And move The Marvels to early September 2026 fixes Kamala's age error, since The Marvels occurs before Kamala's 17th anniversary (and consequently before Kate Bishop's 24th birthday, which is in December 11), which is in September 10, she have 16 years old in the movie, like we see in her "super hero animated story" with Captain Marvel.
I agree, I think they will place BNW after Agatha and that is. Will be more interesting, if they place DD:BA before CA:BNW. If DD:BA really ends up taking majority of time in March/pre-April 2027.


That is why I would also vote for option to move Defenders to pre-Civil War and Punisher S2 before JJ S3 if we ever revisits their placement -> as that would mean we 100% match D+/Timeline book order. (and we would be still able to define exact days for upcoming projects, but we would match order)
 
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Do you guys think there's variants of other superheroes in the Raimiverse and Webbverse?
If you count the novels as semi canon, Reed Richards, Hulk, Hank Pym etc. exists, as they were name dropped according to Marvel Wiki and Screenrant.

According to the novel, Namor was the man who found the Spider-Man costume in the garbage. Albeit in the movie itself, the man doesn't look like Namor at all.

Also, there was an Elektra poster in Spider-Man 1, albeit she may be a fictional character.
 

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