Let's assume it's not in the MCU for a second. Why would they confirm that in a random interview? That's a massively important statement. If it was removed from that universe, why keep easter eggs? If it was always going to be standalone, why remove it from the MCU? Why say it's a darker part and that it's it's one corner of the universe?
Context. Matters.
Let's look at this comment:
Can't this be said for every Marvel show? They're saying that they're doing their own thing. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. did that all the time. Is Daredevil not canon because Iron Man didn't show up?
Hell, even Disney+ separates the TV shows from the Marvel Cinematic Universe section, doesn't mean they aren't canon.
Under the assumption this show isn't MCU, what would the show have done differently if it was? Nothing.
Why would they confirm that in a random interview? Because no one but us uberfans care about the canonicity of the
Marvel TV shows.
If it was removed from that universe, why keep easter eggs? Because they were filmed during a time when it was still meant to be canon. They're not just going to reshoot entire scenes, because a prop in the background has a connection to another show. Who knows, maybe once upon a time there were actually spoken references to the MCU, but those could have actually been removed.
If it was always going to be standalone, why remove it from the MCU? Because being part of the MCU does actually mean it has an impact (consumerwise) to the franchise. Say Helstrom was a dud, that would've meant the overall rating of the MCU goes down. Disney/Marvel cares about their product.
Why say it's a darker part and that it's it's one corner of the universe? They mean the horror side of the Marvel (comics) universe.
Context. Matters. I agree. Which is why I don't understand you continue to ignore the Adventures into Fear plan got canceled, and that the Marvel banner got removed from Helstrom.
Under the assumption this show isn't MCU, what would the show have done differently if it was? Nothing. You could say this for every show ever. If I were to buy one of the AOS props from the auction store, and film my own TV show using those props, that wouldn't suddenly make my show MCU canon. Just because the show has props used in other MCU shows, means nothing.
We are in the instance where we have easter eggs to other MCU Productions and we have been told it is part of the MCU, and this last statement is definitely concerning. Looking at everything we are with 65% saying it is canon while 35% aiming at it not being canon anymore.
There is no way to try to see Looper interview with other eyes. Sadly. The other interview where says not tied is exactly different as using it is a way to say it is not MCU. He said "It is not tied to the MCU. There are Easter Eggs for, but they lean more towards Helstrom.and Ghost Rider universes."
That is what he said. So. This statement corroborates it is MCU.
However the lasts statement really tells things different. Giving we have been told "it is" and one "it is not" I would say to keep it yet as canon but taking into consideration it might go away if it is said away. Plus Slyonic is correct about Looper, but wrong about one thing. When he said "pocket of the universe" he is NOT talking about the comics. Because it goes along with his other lines of saying "it is silhoed off MCU", "it is not tied with MCU", and other past comments.
I mean, we have one statement saying it's not canon, two statements saying it's not tied to the MCU, and no statement saying it IS canon. Because both of your criteria for it to not be canon seem to be someone needs to literally say the word canon. That hasn't been said in favor of Helstrom.
Agree to disagree about the whole pocket and ''Ghost Rider/Helstrom universes'', I still think he means the comic book angle.
But here's the thing: I like this community. I don't mean to antagonize any of you. I never thought I would become one of those people that would have a debate with his peers about what is or isn't canon. I have always given the benefit of the doubt regarding things being canon. I still think Titan Consumed is canon, despite there being a comment about it having ''no canonical ties to the MCU''. I'm willing to accept Venom into canon if Morbius references it and actually has Vulture in it. After all this, I would still consider Helstrom a part of the MCU canon, because it was once upon a time meant to be, and because it has some MCU props.
But my point is that Marvel doesn't look at Helstrom as canon. They just don't.
