How many Spidey 616 villains are left that haven't been Ultimatize yet?
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Some of those characters are redundant, do we really need another Goblin at this point? Two is enough. Perhaps Roderick Kinglsey can play a different role in the UU (Mackendale sucks though). Ultimate Demogoblin seems completely pointless. We already had an Ultimate Kaine in the Clone Saga (the deformed Parker clone). Lady Ock is also redundant, she is just a female version of Ock, instead of being her own character. Carolyn Trainer should have a different role in the UU. Scream she is a non character, she barely had any stories or development in the 616 universe, also there quite enough symbiotes in the UU at the moment. Morlun, nah, no magic Spidey in the UU and without magic he is just another vampire villain, again already done. Hydro man is just the poor man's Sandman.
So lets look at the villains who aren't just copies of more popular characters, ones that have potential. Symthe could be interesting, they could do an Ultimate spider slayer invansion story, he can just reprogram some of the spider slayers SHIELD has made. Chameleon could be interesting, unless Bendis intended the guy pretending Spidey to be Ultimate Chameleon, which would be lame. Plus it doesn't seem like Bendis likes villains who rely solely on cleverness, so we may not see an true Ultimate Chameleon. Tombstone could be interesting, as well as Shriek, Shriek there is a lot that could changed, but I'm not sure how an Ultimate Tombstone would be different from his 616 counterpart. Jackal I hate on princiapl and it will take a lot to get me to like an ultimate verison of the character.
Now ultimate White rabbit could fun, because she is supposd to be a joke villain, so Bendis could use her in a silly way and no one would mind. Heck Ultimate Legion of losers could be a fun one shot.
Now perhaps USM could borrow from other rogues galleries because there are a quite a few decent B-list DD and Iron man villains who won't be introduced in the UU otherwise. Here some examples:
http://www.geocities.com/daredevil_villains/daredevil.html
http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villains/ironman.html
I think say, Blizzard, could work as a USM villain, its not like he is getting to the UU any other way. Also we haven't seen beetle intoroduced to UU proper (video games don't count).
Or Bendis could expand upon some of the villains he has already introduced (Electro, Sandman, Vulture have never gotten thier own arc.)
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They could always use "The Bowler" and "The Tickler".
Granted, they're not strictly 616 villains.
Anyone remember them? :wink:
Granted, they're not strictly 616 villains.
Anyone remember them? :wink:
She was big enough to put in the Spider-man ride at Universal studios
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If I recall correctly, the MJ-Angry-Squirrel-Goblin was actually Ultimate Demogoblin, mentioned in a Bendis post.
Wasn't MJ goblin is Ultimate Demogoblin a joke?
I think Ultimate Demogoblin appeared in a DS game but not in issues I'm not sure
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Lets see there's:
A'Sai
Ace
Agent Charlie Shaddock
Agony
Alistair Smythe
Alyosha Kravinoff
Armada
Aura
Baron Brimstone
Basilisk
Batroc
Belladonna
Big Wheel
Black Fox
Black Tarantula
Blaze
Blood Rose
Blood Spider
Bloodlust
Bloodshed
Bora
Bounty
Calypso
Cannonball
Cardiac
Carlyle
Carolyn Trainer
Carrion
Cat Buglar
Chameleon
Chance
Charlotte Witter
The Clown
Conundrum
Corona
Crime-Master
Crown
D.K.
Deathshield
Delilah
Demogoblin
Digger
The Doppelganger
Dr. Walston Kraft
Dr. Jonas Harrow
Dragonfly
Drom The Backwards Man
Dspayre
The Eel
Egghead
Facade
The Fly
The Flying Gambonnos
Fogg
Freak
Freakface
Frog-Man
Fusion
Fusion (Pink & Hubert Fusser)
Gibbon
Gog
Grey Goblin
Grim Hunter
Grizzly
Hitman
Humbug
Hydro-Man
Hypertron
Hypno-Hustler
Iguana
Jackal
Jack O'Lantern
Jagged Bow
Joystick
Judas Traveller
Killshot
Klaw
Knight
Knockout
Lightmaster
Living Brain
Looter
Luky Lobo
Man Mountain Marko
Miss Arrow
Mister Negative
Man-Killer
Man-Wolf
Mindworm
Mirage
Morlun
Mr. Hyde
Mysterio
Overrive
Persuader
Prof. Mendel Stromm
Prof. Power
Prowler
Puma
The Queen
Quicksand
Radioactive Man
Rapier
Richard Fisk
Ringmaster
Rocket Racer
Rose
Scarecrow
Scorcher
Scorpia
Scream
Shade
Shadrac
Shaker
Shathra
She-Venom
Shriek
Sin-Eater
Slug
Slyde
Spider-X
Spidercide
Stegron
Stone-Face
Stunner
The Answer
The Thousand
Tombstone
Tracer
Seward Trainer
Trapster
Uber-Machine
Vermin
The Virus
The Walrus
White Rabbit
Will-O-The-Wisp
Yith
A'Sai
Ace
Agent Charlie Shaddock
Agony
Alistair Smythe
Alyosha Kravinoff
Armada
Aura
Baron Brimstone
Basilisk
Batroc
Belladonna
Big Wheel
Black Fox
Black Tarantula
Blaze
Blood Rose
Blood Spider
Bloodlust
Bloodshed
Bora
Bounty
Calypso
Cannonball
Cardiac
Carlyle
Carolyn Trainer
Carrion
Cat Buglar
Chameleon
Chance
Charlotte Witter
The Clown
Conundrum
Corona
Crime-Master
Crown
D.K.
Deathshield
Delilah
Demogoblin
Digger
The Doppelganger
Dr. Walston Kraft
Dr. Jonas Harrow
Dragonfly
Drom The Backwards Man
Dspayre
The Eel
Egghead
Facade
The Fly
The Flying Gambonnos
Fogg
Freak
Freakface
Frog-Man
Fusion
Fusion (Pink & Hubert Fusser)
Gibbon
Gog
Grey Goblin
Grim Hunter
Grizzly
Hitman
Humbug
Hydro-Man
Hypertron
Hypno-Hustler
Iguana
Jackal
Jack O'Lantern
Jagged Bow
Joystick
Judas Traveller
Killshot
Klaw
Knight
Knockout
Lightmaster
Living Brain
Looter
Luky Lobo
Man Mountain Marko
Miss Arrow
Mister Negative
Man-Killer
Man-Wolf
Mindworm
Mirage
Morlun
Mr. Hyde
Mysterio
Overrive
Persuader
Prof. Mendel Stromm
Prof. Power
Prowler
Puma
The Queen
Quicksand
Radioactive Man
Rapier
Richard Fisk
Ringmaster
Rocket Racer
Rose
Scarecrow
Scorcher
Scorpia
Scream
Shade
Shadrac
Shaker
Shathra
She-Venom
Shriek
Sin-Eater
Slug
Slyde
Spider-X
Spidercide
Stegron
Stone-Face
Stunner
The Answer
The Thousand
Tombstone
Tracer
Seward Trainer
Trapster
Uber-Machine
Vermin
The Virus
The Walrus
White Rabbit
Will-O-The-Wisp
Yith
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Yeah, that's not a ringing endorsement. She doesn't have any storylines or character traits or anything of note. Plus she is redundant. There are many villains that are far interesting than her, they should be used before she is.
Just proof MJ should never get super powers, ever! For even more proof, just look at Jackpot
First some of those are villains who fought Spidey now and again, rather than being Spidey rogues. Trapster is more of an FF villain, Mr. Hyde is more of a DD villain, etc. However USM seems like the only place tostick street level villains.
Second how many of those villains would be interesting characters in the UU and how are just rip offs of more popular characters (ex: Scorpia)?
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Your right most aren't spidey's Rogues. But this is Bendis, he will most likey do most of them as joke characters. And Bandis has stated that at some point he will have Ultimate Spidey face off the Ultimate Trapster.
Most comic book characters of today are rip offs of characters of the past. Just most of them are retooled to seem different. Most of the time as a joke. Like Ethan Edwards and Hyperion are mearly retooled rip offs of Superman.
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Oh i'm not saying she is a great charracter I don't even like her. I just figure been in the ride and on some merchandise made her famous enough to be in USM.
I was just answering your "how many Spidey 616 villains are left that haven't been Ultimatize yet?" So I made a list.
The fact she is a symbiote doesn't matter in the UU as Venom and Carnage are not real symbiotes in it. and "She doesn't have any storylines or character traits or anything of note" is IMO a reason to make an Ultimate version so you can actually give them a story and traits and things to expand her.
Look at charracters like Vulture who had a story and had traits in 616 , people were pissed at how his ultimate version was so some one like that just begs to be done as you can't **** it up. All you can do is expand it. Unless you would rather get villains who can get ruined and most likely will
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Sream, Agony, Toxin, or any of the other symbiotes have a chance of being Ultimatize. For a while S.H.I.E.D. had the Gwenage clone to study. We could see a story in the future where someone either stole and/or use a sample taken from the Gwenage clone and create one or more of those charatcers.
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First there is a difference between characters who might have similar gimmicks (say Rhino and Mr. hyde both having super strength) and chracters who are balantly copies of other villains (like Doc Ock and Lady Ock, the only difference is their gender.) Its really bad when you have villains who are exactly the same in the same rogues gallery. Some of those characters are completely redundant.
Second, I think bendis can be a really lazy writer at times. Writing every non A-list villain as a joke is just lazy and wasteful. It was cute with Shocker, now its just : annoying. Don't get me wrong some characters like walrus and White rabbit, work best as jokes. But it would be easy to revamp some of these guys into real threats, like trapster. In the UU he could be a comic book version of the jigsaw killer, have his mini arc. He's already a joke in the 616 universe, if you want to make him different in the UU, Bendis should turn
him into a threat. Having him as an idiot who tries to rob banks with a glue gun and fails is what he is in the 616 universe, making him that in the UU isn't creative.
Exactly and Gwen/carnage if cloned could go wrong making a female human / carnage hybrid (more than last time) and that could be Scream.
Make her completely insane and ruthless and could get an interesting charracter out of it. Again I don't like her BUT I want her done Ultimate.
Why? Because there is a few charracters I've never really liked or been intrested in e.g deadpool never intrested me , I never liked Shocker or Rhino that much BUT ultimate versions of them I love
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You liked Ultimate deadpool better than 616 Deadpool? Instant fail! Anyway he made shocker into a joke which was fine once, but the fact that he has made almost every other B-list villain into a joke or a throwaway character, that's a problem.
bruce Timm is a billion times better at adapting villains then bendis is, Timm made Clock King into a threat for God's sakes. bendis just be lazy when it comes to adapting vilains.
when has Bendis shown interest in expanding the b-list villains he has introduced? Ultimate Vulture has become more pathetic, not more intereting (after he escpaed he was take out off panel, for God's sake.) Almost of the b-list villains are flat boring and non threating, its just lazy.
Frankly I'm kinda sick of symbiotes, bendis should expand upon some of the b-list villains he has introduced now, instead of going to the symbiote well again.
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No , I never read 616 deadpool , Like I said he never never intrested me. Ultimate one I had to read as it's part of my USM , I loved it. That's not "instant fail" that's kind of what the ultimate universe was for right?
Introduced me someone who has never read 616 deadpool to a new charracter which I enjoyed.
That has nothing to do with this.
THAT IS MY POINT. Ultimate Vulture was bad so a charracter like you said with NO story and wasn't used much can't go wrong as even if it done as joke or serious it will be an expansion right?
You may be sick of symbiotes but your question was who has not been done NOT "Who has not be done yet who is not a symboite" Just be greatful it's not come to Ultimate Maximum Carnage yet.
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Is there any reason why you haven't read an 616 Deadpool story? because he is a million times better then his Ultimate counterpart, his ultimate counterpart is just so....boring.
Heck Deadpool in Identity disc was a million times more interesting than ultimate deadpool ever was.
Maybe, but when I ask a question like "What villains haven't we seen in the USM" What i mean is "What interesting Spidey villains that have story telling potential have yet to be used, because you aren't getting whole lot of stories out of say, big wheel." No one cares if we see Ultimate Big Wheel or not.
I must respectfully disagree with scream, the character seems completely boring, so I have no interest in reading about her in USM. Frankly the Gwenage thing was lame, so reminding us of that isn't very useful. There several cracters I which like to see get their own arcs instead of Scream.
The problem is Bedis insisted on speedng through 40 years of story telling in 100 issues, so a lot of the characters had rushed Ultimatiztions and thus aren't very interesting, so Bendis has to rework these characters, because he can't just contiue to introduce new characters, he is going to run out and be reduced to slim pickings (like Scream).
Actually no there isn't , It just never intrested me enough to pick it up except i think I got a comic with him in during civil war when I bought all the cival war comics but didn't like it.
True , I would rather he did more with what we have at the moment with out getting new ones but when we do get new one I would rather get some villains that had little use or were not that big so people forgot them so they can actually improve them or just introduce them to us in a fresh way.
Out of my list the 2 I would want were Smythe if they put him with Kingpin like the 90's cartoon and Tombstone if they add the Robbie story
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Still that's one comic, if the only Ultimate comic someone read was Ultimates Vol. 3, they would think the Ultimates as a whole sucks, which wouldn't be fair. 616 Deadpool has a million better stories than Ultimate deadpool. I liked him in Identity Disc.
That's a legit opinion, I just think there are better options then scream, like the ones you just mentioned.
Symthe has some potential, though I would skip the whole cyborg thing, its a bit over the top. What would suggest is Alistair Smythe was a scientist working SHIELD. His father Spencer was killed in the crossover while Spidey was fighting a villain. So Alistair reprograms some SHIELD's Spider Slayers to kill Spidey. This convices Spidey that Nick Fury is out to kill him. This gives Spidey a villain who has a legitimate beef with him and would increase the tension between Spidey and Fury.
As for Tombstone the problem is he is already a pretty good character in the 616 universe, I'm not sure how you would change him in the Ultimate universe.
I think there some good villains who Bendis haven't used yet, but I'm not sure he would use them correctly.
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Definately. It hurt my sould when I found out they were cancelling C&DP. It is the single comic I most look forward to, simply because it has never let me down. It is always funny and entertaining. Unlike Ultimate Deadpuddle. Bendis could have used that role to either ultimatize Donald Pierce, or create a new character, but instead he pissed on a beloved cult character.
Seriously Mole, go grab a copy of the first couple of volumes of Cable and Deadpool. You will laugh your *** off and wonder what you have been missing all this time.
