How do you rate Bendis/Maleev run on Daredevil

How do you rate Bendis/Maleev's run on Daredevil?

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I'm sorry, but the breakdown never resolved itself. Milla leaves him at the end and he's still unsure why he married her. This is not someone who has resolved his inner demons. The story resolved itself in that he was aided by his friends when he was neither psychologically or physically capable of taking down the Yakuza himself, however his breakdown is still a running plot thread, which I feel only resolves when he gives himself up to the police.

And it really gets on my nuts when people say if you have a nervous breakdown it can only be resolved via therapy. People used to do fine before goddamn therapists and psychoactive drugs. Its perfectly believable that Matt can resolve his inner issues through the advice of his friends and his own personal meditations after a time.

5*, any criticism seems to stem from an incomprehension of the material.
 
randomthoughts said:
And it really gets on my nuts when people say if you have a nervous breakdown it can only be resolved via therapy. People used to do fine before goddamn therapists and psychoactive drugs. Its perfectly believable that Matt can resolve his inner issues through the advice of his friends and his own personal meditations after a time.
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I made such a strongly-worded 'therapy-dependent' statement for contrast's sake. Point being that you don't just 'get over' a breakdown after you're told it exists.

In fact, as a psych-skeptic, I would have to admit that even I don't buy into the whole "therapy solves all" schtick. I mention in a post before the one you quoted, "True, psychological assistance can come from within..."

You put it right though in saying that without therapy, he can solve his problems with friends and meditation and all that, but the fact is that he didn't. And regardless of whether you believe those issues went away or not, they ceased to be a problem at the convenience of the plot.

MWOF said:
And Ourchair, I'm not saying he's sucking it up and he got over it. I just got the impression that he never got over it.
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Really, cause what you said was:
MWOF said:
I never thought he got over the breakdown, personally. I thought he just sort've "sucked it up" and realized he wasn't the only person being sucked into the hell hole of his life (Foggy, Milla, the public).
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That sure sounds like he 'got over it' in the sense that Murdock blinked in front of Ben Urich and said, "Ohmygod, I am such a dip**** who is taking out all my unresolved issues out on my friends. If I really care for them, I have to get over myself and my big selfish doodyheadedness."

Bass puts it best:
Bass said:
Bendis used the fact Matt knew about his breakdown to resolve all his plotlines. It's false. It doesn't matter if Matt hasn't 'gotten over it' because he's resolved all the problems in his life with this arcane knowledge of his own soul.
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The fault lies not in whether Murdock got over his problems or not. The fault lies in the fact that one set of expositional dialogue from Ben Urich to Matt Murdock fixed everything for them.

Even Milla getting back together with Matt was a little contrived. She left him because she was afraid that this breakdown undermined the sincerity of their marriage. Matt couldn't give a straight answer on whether this is true or not, nor was it ever addressed. This was potentially powerful stuff, but Bendis just let it go and I was kinda disappointed with the fact that their reunion didn't address that matter.
 
randomthoughts said:
I'm sorry, but the breakdown never resolved itself. Milla leaves him at the end and he's still unsure why he married her. This is not someone who has resolved his inner demons. The story resolved itself in that he was aided by his friends when he was neither psychologically or physically capable of taking down the Yakuza himself, however his breakdown is still a running plot thread, which I feel only resolves when he gives himself up to the police.
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Bendis has X storylines going on in Daredevil. Ben Urich says, "You are having a breakdown, maybe." Daredevil solves X storylines immediately, then goes, "Hmm, perhaps I have a new storyline coming involving my breakdown".

Bendis just introduced a new plot in the last pages to sweep all the old ones under the rug, and then keep going with the new plot. He does this all the time. He never resolves anything. Just as he builds to climax, he "ends" all his stories and introduces a new plot thread, which too, never ends. He's like a soap opera. He throws in deus ex machina into the last page and then goes, "it's not deus ex because it's pays off later". It never does.

The beauty of a continuing arc of stories is the climax of one story leads into the next. For example, in Bendis' DD run, Mr Silke leads a mutiny in the Kingpin's ranks. This ends very well, and in it's ending creates a brand new story - Daredevil's secret identity revealed to the public. The resolution of the Silke storyline creates the new storyline.

The breakdown was not a consequence of climax. It was an excuse to have a false climax because Bendis didn't know how to end his story effectively.

randomthoughts said:
And it really gets on my nuts when people say if you have a nervous breakdown it can only be resolved via therapy. People used to do fine before goddamn therapists and psychoactive drugs. Its perfectly believable that Matt can resolve his inner issues through the advice of his friends and his own personal meditations after a time.
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For the sake of argument, let's say you are correct be and serious mental problems can and are solved without therapy. (Which is indeed true to some extent.)

Nervous breakdowns are psychological trauma. No matter what form of medicine one takes, you do not recover so quickly as to be able to solve all your problems in the next few hours.

randomthoughts said:
5*, any criticism seems to stem from an incomprehension of the material.
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Sorry mate, but I read and understood that comic title fine. You can disagree if you want, but don't tell me I wasn't able to 'get it'. If Ourchair agrees with me, I must be saying something right.
 
4 the story idea's were excellent, even if the script wasn't so good. the art took some getting used to, but when you did, it was great...the script let it down though so 4/5
 
Ourchair will agree with anyone if they sent him porn, doesn't even have to have naked girls, it could be PG porn, and he'll still agree with you
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yeah, you want PG porn?...just head over to the head offices of those sick S.O.B's Disney :p
 
Jackie Estacado said:
5* without a doubt baby
just finished the last ish.... end of an era and certainly felt like it. and a big fat bollocks to all u bendis haters :wink:
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I don't know about Bass (oh wait I do), but I'm not a Bendis hater. I have enjoyed his work many times but I don't let that get in the way of being critical.

But I guess it's just too much to ask for anyone to LIKE Bendis or ENJOY Daredevil AND be critical. Cause you know, enjoying something and being critical of it are for some ****ing reason, contradictory.

Ultimate Houde said:
Ourchair will agree with anyone if they sent him porn, doesn't even have to have naked girls, it could be PG porn, and he'll still agree with you
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Then how come my PM box doesn't get anything like that?!?!?!
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
The man has spoken.
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thank you :)

i can still be critical of bendis' work (no one is perfect after-all), but DD was one of those rare cases where the work was strong near-all of the time (kinda like powers if anyone else reads that, and ultimate spider-man). :D
 
Jackie Estacado said:
thank you :)

i can still be critical of bendis' work (no one is perfect after-all), but DD was one of those rare cases where the work was strong near-all of the time (kinda like powers if anyone else reads that, and ultimate spider-man). :D
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You're lucky your avatar is so fine.
 
Jackie Estacado said:
thank you :)

i can still be critical of bendis' work (no one is perfect after-all), but DD was one of those rare cases where the work was strong near-all of the time (kinda like powers if anyone else reads that, and ultimate spider-man). :D
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I really want to agree with you then you said USM was strong all of the time. So are all Daredevil fans insane? It's possible.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
I really want to agree with you then you said USM was strong all of the time. So are all Daredevil fans insane? It's possible.
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"near-all of the time" - certainly stronger than the other spidey books (and im not referring to 'the other' storyline lol).

BASS said:
You're lucky your avatar is so fine.
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thanks Bass :)
 
4 stars. The arcs that really hit were excellent, but there were a few (golden age, I'm looking at you) that didn't seem to serve much of a puropose other than being a decent read. Alex Maalev's art is some of the best in comics, capturing the tone anf flow of the story perfectly. The scene were DD fights all the Yakuza in the rain is beautifuly rendered...
 
Baxter said:
4 stars. The arcs that really hit were excellent, but there were a few (golden age, I'm looking at you) that didn't seem to serve much of a puropose other than being a decent read. Alex Maalev's art is some of the best in comics, capturing the tone anf flow of the story perfectly. The scene were DD fights all the Yakuza in the rain is beautifuly rendered...
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:shock: :x
 
Good quality bump. I voted 5 stars. I loved the whole thing and don't have a single complaint about it. Plotting was perfect, the art was fitting, and characterizations were spot on.

Baxter said:
(golden age, I'm looking at you)
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Wow, I loved Golden Age.
 
I just think it felt out of place. Everything else in the run moved things forward while The Golden Age seemed to almost be treading water, like they weren't sure where things were going to go from so they needed an arc that would hold things over. If there had been more examination of Daredevils effects on Hells Kitchen in the past then the arc would have fit more, but as is it seemed out of place.
 
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