DC's Earth-66 - Timeline

Zeitschiene said:
One more Bond Question, is Brosnan Bond in the same Timeline as the others? It seems not
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Officially there Isn't a strict Canon as for what I know, thanks to Spectre and NTTD every movie Is on the same timeline and James Bond Isn't a code name (M and Q's fault) so IDK, maybe yes, maybe no. I really don't know.
 
Basically you could Say that if you ignote NTTD that every actor Is his universe, but IDK if you can connect the others. Pro Bot suggested to have all the movie before Casino Royale as One timeline and the Craig era as another.
 
If you want to have all the bond as One universe you have to know that wathever you do Isn't going to work, if you want bond's Age to work you have to put 3 movies in 1 year each, if you don't want to have the URSS to fall then come back and then fall again you have to put Casino Royale in 1953 but that means that during NTTD Bond Is 100+ years old. Literally this can't work.
 
Megatron said:
If you want to have all the bond as One universe you have to know that wathever you do Isn't going to work, if you want bond's Age to work you have to put 3 movies in 1 year each, if you don't want to have the URSS to fall then come back and then fall again you have to put Casino Royale in 1953 but that means that during NTTD Bond Is 100+ years old. Literally this can't work.
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Casino Royale is a reboot, confirmed both on the timeline and behind the scenes. It changes the relationships of characters and the timeline itself. The events of GoldenEye take place around 2010 now. The other movies would occur between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall also, I suppose. The codename theory is nonsense, so I'm discarding it as such. M being the same actress is a connection, but they have different names, Barbara Mawdsley in the GoldenEye script and Olivia Mansfield in Skyfall, so it's just a case of two alternate universe versions of M who look the same.

Let me prove that it's the same guy from 1962 to 2002.

Firstly, the dates in the films do place them definitely in their release years. Don't worry, that has a solution that doesn't involve super serums or anything, lol.

James Bond (George Lazenby) meets Blofeld for "the first time" after meeting him in the previous film (played by Sean Connery). This is because On Her Majesty's Secret Service was their first meeting in book canon. Bond was wearing a Japanese disguise in the previous film, so I guess Blofeld didn't recognise him (?).

In On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), James Bond marries Tracy in 1969, where she is killed in a drive-by shortly afterwards.

In For Your Eyes Only (1981), Bond (Roger Moore) takes flowers to Tracy's grave (George Lazenby's wife). The gravestone states that died in 1969. In the script and comic adaptation, it states that Bond and "Blofeld" last met 10 years ago, which matches with Diamonds are Forever (1971), starring Sean Connery. There's other connections between these three Bonds but this definitely places them in a single timeline.

In License to Kill (1989), it's mentioned that Bond (Timothy Dalton) married once, and it's a sore subject, tying in continuity from previous Bonds.

In The World Is Not Enough (1999), Bond (Pierce Brosnan) avoids the question of if he ever lost someone he loved, once again bringing Tracy up as a continuity nod. Further, Bond's family motto mentioned in On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), "the world is not enough", is referenced, although that was taken from Sir Thomas Bond, a real person.

In Die Another Day (2002), we get a scene with various gadgets and references to previous Bond films, suggesting that they are all part of the same history as that film.

Additionally, certain characters are recast even within a single Bond's series, or they stay the same actor even between Bonds. To say that a different Bond is a new continuity would essentially make most of Sean Connery's films different universes too, if we assume that a recast means a different reality. We know that's not the case though, so logically every film is a shared timeline until the explicit continuity reboot.

As for Bond's age, this is speculative, but if we apply Bond's age from the Moonraker novel (37) to the film timeline, we can apply that to every other film. It's not canon, but it's certainly interesting how well it plays out. The Bond films simply occur from his 20s all the way to his early 60s. It's not unbelievable in the realm of fiction. We can just apply this to the other characters in the series, like Monnypenny, Leiter, maybe Q and M, whatever seems the most reasonable compared to Bond's age.

1962 - Dr. No (Age 21)
1963 - From Russia with Love (Age 22)
1964 - Goldfinger (Age 23)
1965 - Thunderbolt (Age 24)
1966 - You Only Live Twice (Age 25)
1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Age 28)
1971 - Diamonds Are Forever (Age 30)
1973 - Live and Let Die (Age 32)
1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun (Age 33)
1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me (Age 36)
1978 - Moonraker (Age 37)
1980 - For Your Eyes Only (Age 39)
1982 - Octopussy (Prologue) (Age 41)
1983 - Octopussy (Age 42)
1985 - A View to a Kill (Age 44)
1987 - GoldenEye (Prologue) (Age 46)
1987 - The Living Daylights (Age 46)
1989 - Licence to Kill (Age 48)
1996 - GoldenEye (Age 55)
1997 - Tomorrow Never Dies (Age 56)
1999 - The World Is Not Enough (Age 58)
2001 - Die Another Day (Prologue) (Age 60)
2002 - Die Another Day (Age 61)
 
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Pro Bot said:
Casino Royale is a reboot, confirmed both on the timeline and behind the scenes. It changes the relationships of characters and the timeline itself. The events of GoldenEye take place around 2010 now. The other movies would occur between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall also, I suppose. The codename theory is nonsense, so I'm discarding it as such. M being the same actress is a connection, but they have different names, Barbara Mawdsley in the GoldenEye script and Olivia Mansfield in Skyfall, so it's just a case of two alternate universe versions of M who look the same.

Let me prove that it's the same guy from 1962 to 2002.

Firstly, the dates in the films do place them definitely in their release years. Don't worry, that has a solution that doesn't involve super serums or anything, lol.

James Bond (George Lazenby) meets Blofeld for "the first time" after meeting him in the previous film (played by Sean Connery). This is because On Her Majesty's Secret Service was their first meeting in book canon. Bond was wearing a Japanese disguise in the previous film, so I guess Blofeld didn't recognise him (?).

In On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), James Bond marries Tracy in 1969, where she is killed in a drive-by shortly afterwards.

In For Your Eyes Only (1981), Bond (Roger Moore) takes flowers to Tracy's grave (George Lazenby's wife). The gravestone states that died in 1969. In the script and comic adaptation, it states that Bond and "Blofeld" last met 10 years ago, which matches with Diamonds are Forever (1971), starring Sean Connery. There's other connections between these three Bonds but this definitely places them in a single timeline.

In License to Kill (1989), it's mentioned that Bond (Timothy Dalton) married once, and it's a sore subject, tying in continuity from previous Bonds.

In The World Is Not Enough (1999), Bond (Pierce Brosnan) avoids the question of if he ever lost someone he loved, once again bringing Tracy up as a continuity nod. Further, Bond's family motto mentioned in On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), "the world is not enough", is referenced, although that was taken from Sir Thomas Bond, a real person.

In Die Another Day (2002), we get a scene with various gadgets and references to previous Bond films, suggesting that they are all part of the same history as that film.

Additionally, certain characters are recast even within a single Bond's series, or they stay the same actor even between Bonds. To say that a different Bond is a new continuity would essentially make most of Sean Connery's films different universes too, if we assume that a recast means a different reality. We know that's not the case though, so logically every film is a shared timeline until the explicit continuity reboot.

As for Bond's age, this is speculative, but if we apply Bond's age from the Moonraker novel (37) to the film timeline, we can apply that to every other film. It's not canon, but it's certainly interesting how well it plays out. The Bond films simply occur from his 20s all the way to his early 60s. It's not unbelievable in the realm of fiction. We can just apply this to the other characters in the series, like Q and M, whatever seems the most reasonable compared to their age.

1962 - Dr. No (Age 21)
1963 - From Russia with Love (Age 22)
1964 - Goldfinger (Age 23)
1965 - Thunderbolt (Age 24)
1966 - You Only Live Twice (Age 25)
1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Age 28)
1971 - Diamonds Are Forever (Age 30)
1973 - Live and Let Die (Age 32)
1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun (Age 33)
1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me (Age 36)
1978 - Moonraker (Age 37)
1980 - For Your Eyes Only (Age 39)
1982 - Octopussy (Prologue) (Age 41)
1983 - Octopussy (Age 42)
1985 - A View to a Kill (Age 44)
1987 - GoldenEye (Prologue) (Age 46)
1987 - The Living Daylights (Age 46)
1989 - Licence to Kill (Age 48)
1996 - GoldenEye (Age 55)
1997 - Tomorrow Never Dies (Age 56)
1999 - The World Is Not Enough (Age 58)
2001 - Die Another Day (Prologue) (Age 60)
2002 - Die Another Day (Age 61)
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Sorry but I didn't explain myself properly. I know that the bond movies from 1962 to 2002 can be One timeline, I was saying that bringing the Craig era into the mix wouldn't work, for both Bond's Age and historical events. That's why I advised to follow what you did, mr. Probot.
 
Anyway since you referenced the comics, I know that they have 2 timeline, so how do they work?
 
Ah, are you talking about the newer comics? I was taking about the adaptation that came out around the same time, but sure, I'll give it a go.

Basically, most of Dynamite Comics' James Bond stories take place in their own unique modern day timeline except for James Bond Origin. James Bond Origin is a prequel to the original novels set in the 1940s. James Bond Origin is therefore either it's own continuity, possibly sharing continuity with the modern comic adaptations of Casino Royale and Live and Let Die, or a prequel to the original James Bond Fleming novels. From my understanding, anyway.
 
Pro Bot said:
Ah, are you talking about the newer comics? I was taking about the adaptation that came out around the same time, but sure, I'll give it a go.

Basically, most of Dynamite Comics' James Bond stories take place in their own unique modern day timeline except for James Bond Origin. James Bond Origin is a prequel to the original novels set in the 1940s. James Bond Origin is therefore either it's own continuity, possibly sharing continuity with the modern comic adaptations of Casino Royale and Live and Let Die, or a prequel to the original James Bond Fleming novels. From my understanding, anyway.
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Wait there are other comics?
 
And so the novel timeline Is basically all the novels, all the short stories, all the continuation novels, the origin and the 2 comic book adaptation by dynamite?
 
Pro Bot said:
Casino Royale is a reboot, confirmed both on the timeline and behind the scenes. It changes the relationships of characters and the timeline itself. The events of GoldenEye take place around 2010 now. The other movies would occur between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall also, I suppose. The codename theory is nonsense, so I'm discarding it as such. M being the same actress is a connection, but they have different names, Barbara Mawdsley in the GoldenEye script and Olivia Mansfield in Skyfall, so it's just a case of two alternate universe versions of M who look the same.

Let me prove that it's the same guy from 1962 to 2002.

Firstly, the dates in the films do place them definitely in their release years. Don't worry, that has a solution that doesn't involve super serums or anything, lol.

James Bond (George Lazenby) meets Blofeld for "the first time" after meeting him in the previous film (played by Sean Connery). This is because On Her Majesty's Secret Service was their first meeting in book canon. Bond was wearing a Japanese disguise in the previous film, so I guess Blofeld didn't recognise him (?).

In On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), James Bond marries Tracy in 1969, where she is killed in a drive-by shortly afterwards.

In For Your Eyes Only (1981), Bond (Roger Moore) takes flowers to Tracy's grave (George Lazenby's wife). The gravestone states that died in 1969. In the script and comic adaptation, it states that Bond and "Blofeld" last met 10 years ago, which matches with Diamonds are Forever (1971), starring Sean Connery. There's other connections between these three Bonds but this definitely places them in a single timeline.

In License to Kill (1989), it's mentioned that Bond (Timothy Dalton) married once, and it's a sore subject, tying in continuity from previous Bonds.

In The World Is Not Enough (1999), Bond (Pierce Brosnan) avoids the question of if he ever lost someone he loved, once again bringing Tracy up as a continuity nod. Further, Bond's family motto mentioned in On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), "the world is not enough", is referenced, although that was taken from Sir Thomas Bond, a real person.

In Die Another Day (2002), we get a scene with various gadgets and references to previous Bond films, suggesting that they are all part of the same history as that film.

Additionally, certain characters are recast even within a single Bond's series, or they stay the same actor even between Bonds. To say that a different Bond is a new continuity would essentially make most of Sean Connery's films different universes too, if we assume that a recast means a different reality. We know that's not the case though, so logically every film is a shared timeline until the explicit continuity reboot.

As for Bond's age, this is speculative, but if we apply Bond's age from the Moonraker novel (37) to the film timeline, we can apply that to every other film. It's not canon, but it's certainly interesting how well it plays out. The Bond films simply occur from his 20s all the way to his early 60s. It's not unbelievable in the realm of fiction. We can just apply this to the other characters in the series, like Monnypenny, Leiter, maybe Q and M, whatever seems the most reasonable compared to Bond's age.

1962 - Dr. No (Age 21)
1963 - From Russia with Love (Age 22)
1964 - Goldfinger (Age 23)
1965 - Thunderbolt (Age 24)
1966 - You Only Live Twice (Age 25)
1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Age 28)
1971 - Diamonds Are Forever (Age 30)
1973 - Live and Let Die (Age 32)
1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun (Age 33)
1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me (Age 36)
1978 - Moonraker (Age 37)
1980 - For Your Eyes Only (Age 39)
1982 - Octopussy (Prologue) (Age 41)
1983 - Octopussy (Age 42)
1985 - A View to a Kill (Age 44)
1987 - GoldenEye (Prologue) (Age 46)
1987 - The Living Daylights (Age 46)
1989 - Licence to Kill (Age 48)
1996 - GoldenEye (Age 55)
1997 - Tomorrow Never Dies (Age 56)
1999 - The World Is Not Enough (Age 58)
2001 - Die Another Day (Prologue) (Age 60)
2002 - Die Another Day (Age 61)
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I found this Reddit Post, and I like the idea:
 
Kind of just redundant to exclude those films.
Bond is a spy, so the passports aren't really a problem for me. You'd expect some things to be faked. I don't know why you can't just say that it's all one character, especially when Die Another Day has all of this in it.


Also, small prop dates are sometimes ignored for the bigger picture.
 
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Pro Bot said:
Kind of just redundant to exclude those films.
Bond is a spy, so the passports aren't really a problem for me. You'd expect some things to be faked. I don't know why you can't just say that it's all one character, especially when Die Another Day has all of this in it.


Also, small prop dates are sometimes ignored for the bigger picture.
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I personally agree with mr. Pro Bot in term of cinematic bond we have 2 timeline.

1) 1962-2002 (movies + tie-in video games and comic adaptations)
2) 2006-2020 (movies + tie-in video games)
 
I remember to have read years ago in TV Tropes that the GoldenEye 007 version that has the Craig Bond is contradicted by subsequent movies and so, they assume that takes place in a short of alternate continuity that is a mix between the Classic and Craig continuities. But TV Tropes is not the most reliable source, so I guess it is another case where everything fits but people still insists in pretending that every tie-in that is not referenced back in the main media is not canon?
 
Jozaca said:
I remember to have read years ago in TV Tropes that the GoldenEye 007 version that has the Craig Bond is contradicted by subsequent movies and so, they assume that takes place in a short of alternate continuity that is a mix between the Classic and Craig continuities. But TV Tropes is not the most reliable source, so I guess it is another case where everything fits but people still insists in pretending that every tie-in that is not referenced back in the main media is not canon?
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That was 007 Legends I believe, not GoldenEye. It was because of Blofeld being a different guy.
 
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