i found Iron man 2 + 3 hell to get through.
I agree Iron Man 2 sucked, but I liked the third one.
But yes rest was good And my point was not you need to see cap 1 to like 2. It's because of the structure you need to see all. Like the amount of people who didn't see incredible hulk found it stupid he could control hulk powers in avengers (he learned at the end scene)
But that's not true. Yes, they did develop his ability to control himself as the Hulk in TIH, but even in Avengers early on he raged out. Towards the end he was able to focus. So even not having seen TIH, people would know what's going on.
You need to see thor to understand loki and thor for it. So that is why you need to because of the cross over. like Black widow in cap 2 means you need to see the iron man films + avengers.
Seeing the other films certainly offers more insight and explanation, but it's definitely not a requirement to understand and enjoy the films individually. Loki's conflict with Thor was addressed in Avengers, and Black Widow was given plenty of screen time and development in Cap 2 alone for the audience to know who she is and what she does.
To understand Shield in avengers 2 you'll need top see show (the worst of the tv comic shows right now imo) and its too much to expect people to watch the movies to watch all the show it is too much.
Not at all. Granted, watching Cap 2 will help explain why SHIELD no longer exists (or at least compared to its existence pre-Cap 2), but again, I'm sure they'll have a couple lines or references to explain its absence. Not having seen Cap 2 won't ruin Avengers 2 for viewers. And you certainly don't need to have seen Agents of SHIELD at all. That's as tertiary as it gets, really.
And you need to see show as tie episodes are usually fall out so its the end. I dont know to me it buts me off that you need to see films + see shows if you want to follow 1 hero. Yes the are sort of self contained but each has trhe seeds you need to understand crossover better. I used events in comic as example as you really need to read all the tie-ins ect... or that 1 hero you follow you'll get lost around event times. Just films = Good Just tv shows = good Both tv + movies in 1 universe = too much
I get what you're saying and agree that too much dependence on crossovers can be detrimental, but I don't think the MCU has hit that wall yet. Even the Arrow/Flash universe can be enjoyed by only watching one show and not the other, though with the upcoming crossover episodes that may change. We'll see. But that's how TV spinoffs work (and now apparently TV spinoffs of film series, though there are plenty of previous examples of that, just not as closely intertwined).
That said, I wouldn't have minded them bringing in the Arrow/Flash TV universe as part of the DC film universe, it's just that the producers repeatedly said that wasn't going to happen and people, even people who would read those interviews, would comment that it should or would happen on other sites I check out. That just annoyed me. It's one thing to speculate, it's another to blatantly ignore something the makers of those films and television shows are telling you isn't going to happen.
But I do think trying to tie in the Arrow and Flash shows would've been more trouble than it's worth, and hinder their abilities to tell good stories in that TV universe and the film universe. While Marvel have done a great job telling good stories in their film universe (overall), Agents of SHIELD is hindered by having to fit into the mold the films set, and they can't really change things up on a larger scale at all, really, because it may infringe on plans for a future MCU film. So in that regard I'm glad that DC is keeping it all separate.
