Fredrik Martinsson
Formerly known as Ultimate Warrior
SOMEBODY had to :wink:
Captain America Returns with Alex Ross.
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Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
Eh, I don't find the costume as visually unappealing as some of you evidently do.
The gun and knife don't bother me either.
The gun and knife don't bother me either.
Bass
Nexus of the World
It was indeed my point.
Just as people lamented the decision to replace Allen and Jordan, people will lament this until, eventually, the bring back Steve Rogers, but like Allen or Jordan, it'll be when the title is flagging.
I'm not so upset that they killed off Rogers at all. I'm just pissed off it was such a lame-*** death. I thought his death in PARADISE X was much, much better. The "in-continuity" death was - it felt like, to me, that if this had been written a year ago, Cap would've survived. It doesn't feel to me that he died from an assassin's bullet, but rather from an editorial decision.
Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
Why can't superheroes die in normal ways, like I don't know, getting there brains blown out.
Must superheroes die in extravagant violent ways or extremely emotionally ways?
Must superheroes die in extravagant violent ways or extremely emotionally ways?
Joe Kalicki
Well-Known Member
Kyle Raynor is a million times more interesting than Hal Jordan.
Not so Bucky than Steve Rogers.
Not so Bucky than Steve Rogers.
Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
Fredrik Martinsson
Formerly known as Ultimate Warrior
You mean like getting cancer? Damn, why haven't anybody thought about that? [/sarcasm] :wink:
Bass
Nexus of the World
I'm sure people say that about Rayner and West all the time.
Violent? No.
Emotional? Yes. Otherwise, what's the point? The death can be small, subtle, and somewhat mundane, but it must be emotionally powerful - it's a story. If there's no emotional power to it - then there's no ****ing point.
Violent? No.
Emotional? Yes. Otherwise, what's the point? The death can be small, subtle, and somewhat mundane, but it must be emotionally powerful - it's a story. If there's no emotional power to it - then there's no ****ing point.
Random
Didn't **** any of those *****es
I agree, but also I'm pissed cause didn't they try to replace Steve Rogers before? And they went right back to him.
The good ones should, the fans deserves more payoff from a great character whose been kicking *** for 40 years. There needs to be a satisfying ending to their story
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Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
I don't get it...
Okay then, what wasn't emotional about the death? The fact that it was out of left field, no one saw it coming type of death?
I'm seriously wondering why people are so upset that he died. Was it the method or the fact Marvel actually killed him? Are you more mad at the fact they killed him, or mad at the fact it was done in what seemed like a haphazard manner?
Fredrik Martinsson
Formerly known as Ultimate Warrior
*coughCaptainMarvelcough*
Joe Kalicki
Well-Known Member
If Captain Marvel's dead how come I saw him in Civil War? Hunh?
HUNH?
Thought so.
Ultimate Houde
UC's Resident Genetic Recombinator
I did not know that
Random
Didn't **** any of those *****es
Who hasn't died at one point or another and appeared during Civil War?
McCheese
Well-Known Member
I personally have never been all that attached to Captain America. In fact, I think he works better as a symbol. The hero the other heroes look up to. Him being dead just enhances that roll. So I don't mind that part. What I don't like is that Captain America died handcuffed and helpless. Instead of dying while saving a bus load of nuns from Nazis or something ridiculously heroic, he died from a bullet while leaving a courthouse. If Cap had been killed in the climactic final battle of Civil War rather than surrendering and getting gunned down I'd be a happy camper.
But I'd still hate that new costume.
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TwilightEL
Well-Known Member
He did take a bullet for a security guard, one who was escorting him to a kangaroo court and possible execution for treason, no less.
Random
Didn't **** any of those *****es
The guy started his career punching hitlar in the face, he needs to go out with a bang rather than taking a bullet for some nobody (though that is totally in his character).
Really there were so many better ways they could have taken his story, dead or not, but the one the choose is not great.
Planet-man
Well-Known Member
If nothing else, this is the mindset both Marvel and DC should be in all the time. Maybe team him up with Morrison or something.
McCheese
Well-Known Member
Exactly. He wasn't Your Friendly Neighborhood Captain America. This was Captain ****ing America, the guy who beat the Nazis. Or helped beat them anyway. He has to go out doing something big.
Bass
Nexus of the World
I, personally, am not hugely upset, rather disappointed. I felt Cap's death lacked the any real meaning besides "Lookit the new direction, aren't we bold?"
If the meaning was intended to be that it was an unexpected death and we're supposed to feel blindsided by it, then fine, but that's not really a meaning worth giving. And I don't think that is what we're supposed to feel. I think that's what's been said as a defence against the criticism. I think, we were supposed to feel sadness for Cap, for the Marvel Universe - we're supposed to grieve. That's the powerful emotion. And it strikes me they went more a shock/intellectual death rather than an emotional one. Most likely with the best of intentions.
Personally, it seems to me more people are just pissed off that they didn't feel anything. It's just like THE SOPRANOS finale. An intellectual pay-off is never as powerful as an emotional one.
