Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 5)

Pro Bot said:
How do you justify an official designation of this reality if you think the MCU is a separate multiverse? If every MCU reality is canon, the idea of a separate multiverse becomes redundant.

Why have a redundant multiverse when you can accept the easy option of it being the same?
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i agree i was just replying to your previous comment to have the 3 new designations in 1 comment
 
stphylcccs said:
Why does something happening identically in one multiverse mean it's the same multiverse? Even in the same multiverse, 2 universes could hypothetically be the same - this doesn't mean they're the same universe, it just means they're identical. It'd be like saying the DC comics multiverse is the same as the Marvel comics multiverse - they both have different, fleshed out multiverses, yet they cross over with each other, since there are clone universes in the marvel multiverse. Since the MCU is an adaptation of a multiverse, it is set in its own, unique multiverse.

That's just my take on it though, I don't believe it's been confirmed nor denied (other than a book from years ago stating Earth-199999 is the same as the main universe of the MCU - though since the MCU is a multiverse, not just one universe, this would be irrelevant).
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I'm not saying Earth-199999 isn't the MCU, I'm saying the Earth-199999 shown in the comics is that multiverse's version of the main MCU universe. It has the same TVA and everything, it just doesn't have any extra universes (not branches - universes, eg Earth-828 wouldn't be in it, but Earth-43186 would be).

Assuming every multiverse in media is the same multiverse is counterintuitive. We have the omniverse for a reason. Even without it, the comics state there are a panfinite amount of universes, whereas the MCU has an infinite amount of universes, each with an infinite amount of branches - in Loki it is stated that you will never be able to contain all the universes because they keep increasing at an infinite rate (I know this was disproven, but only as the reason upscaling the loom wouldn't work, not that it was factually incorrect) so clearly there it is uncountable infinity, as opposed to countable infinity, like with the comics, meaning the two multiverses are not the same and exist as separate IPs
 
stphylcccs said:
Surely since the MCU is doing its own multiverse (separate to how the comics have done it I believe) it would be different, even if there is an identical Earth-199999 in the comics multiverse?

I feel this could start a massive argument, so I'm probably not gonna touch on the topic more right now.
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I just see it as a Megaverse situation in the worst case scenario, meaning MCU is a different multiverse from the Marvel Comics multiverse, but they are both in the same Marvel Megaverse, or that MCU is a subset of the larger Marvel Comics Multiverse (I prefer the latter option).
 
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BB10 said:
I just see it as a Megaverse situation in the worst case scenario, meaning MCU is a different multiverse from the Marvel Comics multiverse, but they are both in the same Marvel Megaverse, or that MCU is a subset of the larger Marvel Comics Multiverse.
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In Marvel, Megaverse realities like the New Universe (in one issue of Quasar, Uatu told Quasar that him entering the New Universe meant he left the Marvel Multiverse and entered the Megaverse) or Ultraverse have interacted with 616 and have received Earth numbers. So, it is possible for 199999 to interact with 616 and receive a reality number, and be a part of the Marvel Cosmology (Megaverse to be specific) while also being a part of a different multiverse from the Marvel Comics Multiverse. So, there doesn't need to be a redundant comic version of 199999 even if MCU isn't a part of the Marvel Comics Multiverse.

To me, unless condradicted by the movies or word of God stating it is not canon, the TVA comic is canon.

@stphylcccs About the countable vs uncountable infinite statements, I don't think the writers care about the difference. Both comics and the MCU usually call the Multiverse infinite and be done with it and if we looked hard enough, we could probably find similiar statements to the Loki one in the comics.
 
Uncountable infinity is something I don't believe with the number of Earths in comic book lore.

If it was endless infinity, Anti-Monitor wouldn't have been able to destroy the multiverse in Crisis because it was never ending.

It's just a very big number that the total has not been confirmed for yet.
 
selfishmisery said:
If it was endless infinity, Anti-Monitor wouldn't have been able to destroy the multiverse in Crisis because it was never ending.
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That just means the Anti-Monitor was powerful. I don’t think it’s fair to be fine with every other inconceivably absurd thing in comics then draw the line here tbh.

Crisis without Infinite Earths does sound funny tho
 
Pro Bot said:
Earth-42872 Diverged from Earth-199999 when Pietro Maximoff survived the Battle of Sokovia, only to be shot by a protestor later. Scarlet Witch joined the Avengers and was believed to have died at Mount Wundagore but in reality was taken by the TVA and placed into stasis. (Scarlet Witch seen) TVA #3 (2025)

Earth-43166 Diverged from reality-199999 when Ragnarok came to Asgard centuries earlier. The Tesseract landed in North America and shattered, imbuing the Space Stone energies into many of the native Mohawk people. What If...? episode What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World? (2023)
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This means something to me
 
I was thinking of something, considering the fact that He Who Remains' timeline (TRN870) is the version of the MCU that existed prior to the Kang Multiversal war, does the only difference of that universe's version of the Infinity Saga the fact that Loki in Endgame didn't take the Tesseract and subsequently Tony didn't meet the young version of his father. If it was possible to watch TRN870 version of the MCU Infinity Saga, that would be the only difference, I guess.

Alternatively, all the Endgame branched timelines were erased by TVA after they fullfilled their purpose of taking part in the Endgame plot, which could mean Loki taking the Tesseract happened in the version of TRN732 corresponding to TRN870, as well. It's just that, the Loki timeline corresponding to 19999, meaning TRN732, got erased as this was post-Kang war, while the pre-Kang War version of TRN732 timeline that interacted with TRN870 went on to keep existing at least up until the Kang War. The original version of the Loki Tesseract timeline/TRN732 corresponding to the He Who Remains' timeline could still be in existence, since He Who Remains isolated his timeline from the greater Multiverse, meaning not all timelines were destroyed in the Kang War.

Also, I don't think TVA erasing TRN732 changed the canon of Endgame, as Loki taking the Tesseract only made his own timeline to wear off the Sacred Timeline path, while 199999 stayed in the original path, as it was established in the Loki show that small changes do not get culled by TVA. They probably did to TRN734 what they did to TRN732, as the former also veered off the sacred timeline path way too much (Thanos, Nebula, Black Order dead, Nebula gone, Star Lord didn't steal the Power Stone). That world is probably erased as well, after it played its role in Endgame.
 
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