X-Men Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Revised & Original)

[Specks]

Other thing I always think, how Magneto made that machine of X1? We know he learn how to build his helmets, he get knowledge through the Russians scientists who made Sebastian Shaw's helmet, also to put protections around in his hideouts, like that mirrors in Shaw's submarine, he manipulate metal to shape in helmet form. But that machine he could ask someone to made to him? Forge maybe?

Also for me, he learned about Rogue, through Caliban, in X1.

There was plenty of time between films and events that occurred for Magneto to learn some scientific knowledge on how to build that machine in X1. I assumed he initially learned of Rogue from whatever reports there were about her after she kissed that boy in her bedroom. Your theory about Caliban being the one to track her down is kinda cool although it is implied that it was just Sabretooth that did the tracking

 

[selfishmisery]

I like to think Stryker's son and the stress of his telepathic abilities aged William Stryker tremendously.

 

[Specks]

I like to think Stryker's son and the stress of his telepathic abilities aged William Stryker tremendously.

Well yeah but then they went and got him in Apocalypse too looking as young as ever. Not to mention the fact that origins literally has a scene in the same year as dofp

 

[selfishmisery]

Well yeah but then they went and got him in Apocalypse too looking as young as ever. Not to mention the fact that origins literally has a scene in the same year as dofp

My take on that since he was central in the DoFP plot, butterfly effect in regards to how his time with his son played out.
No physic attack occurred in the revised timeline for whatever reason that would have stressed William to where he looked 20 years older.

This all hypothetical but not impossible.

 

[Regsta]

Also I think Erik after take possession of Shaw's helmet stay with him until 1963, then he went to Pentagon (For me the one he was using in 1963 and used in DOFP is Shaw's helmet, but with extern modifications). He never learn about Russian's tech was used in Shaw's helmet.

When he help to build Original Trilogy's Cerebro with Charles and Hank, he learn about Cerebro, how works, properties, etc.

With the knowledge he obtain about Cerebro, he manage to do a anti-telepathic tech to put inside the helmets he build after he returns to be Magneto in 80s, also to put around his hideout in X1.

 

[Regsta]

There was plenty of time between films and events that occurred for Magneto to learn some scientific knowledge on how to build that machine in X1. I assumed he initially learned of Rogue from whatever reports there were about her after she kissed that boy in her bedroom. Your theory about Caliban being the one to track her down is kinda cool although it is implied that it was just Sabretooth that did the tracking

He could also get some science knowledge with Hank/Beast.

 

[Specks]

The novelizations for X1 and X2 are also close to the film and not regulated to alternate reality numbers.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/X-Men:_A_Novelization

They kinda should be given different numbers though. Like they’re both close to the movies but also slightly different. The first one is the same bar some slightly incompatible backstories for Scott and Storm, plus the ending is changed to where Senator Kelly is just missing at the end rather than having Mystique impersonating him.

The X2 one adds a lot of little cameo characters like Psylocke and gambit and has this whole side story with Syrin and multiple man (who are both students at xaviers). The biggest change is the ending, where Jean doesn’t die but is instead permanently blinded and shows up with the rest of the team in the final white house scene.

 

[Regsta]

But a like the idea of him called a mutant with scientist knowledge, like Forge to build the X1's machine for him, if Forge did to him, in this case in FoX-Men's universe Forge is not like Forge of comics, which is X-Men member/ally, instead he is a Magneto's ally in this situation. He find him also with Caliban.

Erik only learn to block telepathy (in helmet and his hideout) after he helped/was present when he, alongside Charles and Hank build Original Trilogy's Cerebro. He knows everything about Original Trilogy's Cerebro, etc, so he be able to do a tech anti-Cerebro and anti-telepathic.

 

[BB10]

If the X-Men in Doomsday is supposed to be 10005, then Logan will remain as 17315, since Professor X is clearly alive in the upcoming movie, which will most likely condradict the Logan movie (unless this is a prequel to Logan, which is unlikely).

 

[Specks]

If the X-Men in Doomsday is supposed to be 10005, then Logan will remain as 17315, since Professor X is clearly alive in the upcoming movie, which will most likely condradict the Logan movie (unless this is a prequel to Logan, which is unlikely).

I still think aboe’s theory on that is way off and it’ll just end up being dp&w Gambit’s universe. 10005 will simply become the meta Deadpool verse from now on

 

[BB10]

I still think aboe’s theory on that is way off and it’ll just end up being dp&w Gambit’s universe. 10005 will simply become the meta Deadpool verse from now on

He thinks that the post DP&W timeline is a completely rebooted one in which the older movies are not canon. Personally, I hope it's just the Logan movie that's non-canon but not the earlier movies. The only condradiction with the older movies so far is Mystique being alive while she died in Dark Phoenix, but there can be explanations for that (Professor X died in Last Stand and came back in the same movie, so resurrections happen).

 

[Regsta]

I create a headcanon that Tatum's Gambit is actually the son of Gambit from Origins, so in this case Tatum is Remy LeBeau Jr, the one in Origins/Kitsch is LeBeau Sr, both father and son have the same powers, which for me is like Toad in DOFP is the father of Toad in X1 (Sr and Jr).

In this case, Jean Luc-LeBeau (Gambit's adoptive father in comics) is the father of Origins Gambit and grandfather of Tatum's Gambit.

I think Tatum's Gambit in Doomsday will not be the same of DP&W, in DP&W he was just a joke, in this case DP&W's Gambit is a variant of Gambit of Doomsday.

Tatum's Gambit could be a consequence of Logan's time travel in DOFP, maybe Tatum's Gambit didn't exist in Original Timeline, so now he exist in Revised Timeline.

About Mystique, just said that Dark Phoenix didn't happened/not canon anymore or is a branch, said it was just a Jean's nightmare.

 

[BB10]

About Mystique, just said that Dark Phoenix didn't happened/not canon anymore or is a branch, said it was just a Jean's nightmare.

Hate it.

Not because that movie was perfect but because I don't like wishy washy continuity stuff like that. Logan is an exception as that one was always fairly removed from continuity.

 

[Regsta]

Hate it.

Not because that movie was perfect but because I don't like wishy washy continuity stuff like that. Logan is an exception as that one was always fairly removed from continuity.

But I think even Marvel treat like this, in DP&W, in credits there isn't scenes of Dark Phoenix or The New Mutants in Fox's homage. For me, this two + Logan are timeline branch/didn't occured in main universe.

 

[MarlonSuchti]

They kinda should be given different numbers though. Like they’re both close to the movies but also slightly different. The first one is the same bar some slightly incompatible backstories for Scott and Storm, plus the ending is changed to where Senator Kelly is just missing at the end rather than having Mystique impersonating him.

You could request a TRN for them on the wiki maybe, that could then eventually lead to an "official" number from the Appendix

 

[Regsta]

There was plenty of time between films and events that occurred for Magneto to learn some scientific knowledge on how to build that machine in X1. I assumed he initially learned of Rogue from whatever reports there were about her after she kissed that boy in her bedroom. Your theory about Caliban being the one to track her down is kinda cool although it is implied that it was just Sabretooth that did the tracking

So basically:

Erik, after take possession of Shaw's helmet stay with him until 1963, then he went to Pentagon. He never learn about Russians' tech used in Shaw's helmet. When he help/witness to build Original Trilogy's Cerebro with Charles and Hank, he learn about Cerebro, how works, properties, etc. With the knowledge he obtain about Cerebro and later learn more some science knowledge, he manage to do a anti-telepathic/anti-Cerebro tech to put inside the helmets he build after he returns to be Magneto, also to put around his hideout, and to build Mutant Conversion Machine in X1.

 

[Regsta]

Guys, I was thought, what exacly the origin of Adamantium in the movies?

How Stryker knew about the souvenir of crime lord before the mission?

What I think it is, I don't know it's correct:

''Vibranium'' was alredy knew/used in FoX-Men universe, but it was Nigeria's exclusive. In X-Men Origins, in late 1973, Stryker with knowledge of Vibranium used exclusive in Nigeria (Fox didn't have rights of Vibranium/Wakanda so they didn't alloyed to mention this names), so he wants this metal, now that he have a team with mutants, he and Team X go there to know the source, which came from a meteorite in sky, Stryker approaches the crime lord, inquiring about the source of the souvenir. The crime lord mentions was found it in a small village. The village they attack knew the source but didn't tell at first, causing a conflit, which made Logan leaves the Team X.

Eventually they learned the source, I presumed it was in a mountain, like Vibranium, but instead Wakanda, was in Nigeria, then Stryker take a portion.

Then Stryker and his scientist team manage to create the ''Adamantium'', an alloy of Steel and Vibranium. Adamantium became US propriety, later was in in Japan (Silver Samurai/The Wolverine's 2013 movie), Stryker is know for this discover, he used this metal Adamantium to put in Logan.

 

[Regsta]

There was plenty of time between films and events that occurred for Magneto to learn some scientific knowledge on how to build that machine in X1. I assumed he initially learned of Rogue from whatever reports there were about her after she kissed that boy in her bedroom. Your theory about Caliban being the one to track her down is kinda cool although it is implied that it was just Sabretooth that did the tracking

Maybe/Could Erik have had a degree in Electrical Engineering between he left/was liberated from Auschwitz in 1945 and the events of X-Men: First Class in 1962?

This would explain how he is able to create anti-telepathic technology in his helmets and hideouts, as well as being able to build X1's Mutant Conversion Machine.

 

[Regsta]

In First Class, Charles uses Cerebro to recruit mutants to help, one of the mutants he finds is Logan, he and Erik go to recruit, but he declines, so they both briefly meet Logan in 1962. In 1974, Stryker learn that his 11 years old son, Jason, is a mutant, he then seek Charles help to ''cure'' his son, Charles meets Stryker. Charles had meet Stryker's father in 1962, who was a CIA officer.

Charles then learned about Stryker's life, his work, later he learn about Stryker's work in Adamantium. Later, when Charles and Erik already had make amends, he talks about Stryker, about Stryker's life, his son, work, Stryker's work in Adamantium.

In Origins, Xavier, through Alex Summers/Havok, learned that Alex's brother was in danger, using Cerebro, he finds him in Three Mile Island, saving Scott and other mutants there. Xavier and Erik learned about Logan, through the mutants, saying that a mutant with metal claws helped them, they said he was one of Stryker's experiment that escaped and saved them, so the mutants said that William Stryker are responsible of capture of them.

Xavier read Logan's mind, seeing his second Weapon X's flashbacks, but don't understanding, because his mind is "broken"/fragile. Charles used Cerebro to find out where Stryker was and seen he was at Alkali Lake, so he send Logan to go there. Xavier decided to don't tell Logan and the X-Men about his knowledge of Logan because he wanted Logan to discover his past on his own. So both Charles and Erik knew about Logan before X1, as showing in X2.

 

[Regsta]

Where were the Sentinels in the original X-Men trilogy?:

After Bolivar Trask's death in 1973, even with Trask death, U.S. government decides to not approve Sentinel Program, though it's too dangerous. Even thought, Trask Industries, in secret, continued work in Sentinel Program, after they get Mystique captured, they get her DNA, after torturing and experimenting on her, but took long time to they finished perfect Sentinels, until 2015, less than 50 years, since 1973.

Mystique manage to escape Trask Industries's custody of her own in 1976 (she stayed 3 years in custody of Trask Industries), but they already material enough to Sentinels program, Mystique didn't knew that what they did to her was to use in Sentinels.

After The Last Stand, which occured Battle of Alcatraz, with Magneto destroying Golden Gate Bridge, Jean Grey/Phoenix almost destroy everybody, also the Mutant Cure caused tension, the cure later provided to be temporary, the tension between mutants and humans rise again, because of what happened in The Last Stand.

Trask Industries finally manage to do the perfect Sentinels, So the idea of using Sentinels came up again by Simon Trask (X-Men: The Last Stand's Trask), who is in charge of Trask Industries, since 1973, he is Bolivar Trask's half-brother, so he have a greenlight, so they announced and release to public, leading to 2023's dark future of DOFP. The robot appeared in the simulation of danger room in X3, was not based on Sentinels, it's just a robot to faced X-Men in training in danger room.