Toho Kaiju Multiverse - Timelines

[Pro Bot]

Toho listed Godzilla vs. Megaguirus as part of the same continuity as the original, but obviously Godzilla dies in the original while he survives in the GvM timeline. I just assume that in that timeline, Emiko never told Hideo about the Oxygen Destroyer.

With the Kiryu timeline, I just assume Godzilla's skeleton was taken by the ocean's current rather than disintegrated since that timeline continues from the original. It's an acceptable retcon.

 

[Pro Bot]

I'm going to wait for my copies of Rodan, Varan, and Frankenstein vs. Baragon to come before attempting anything after Mothra. By the way, I am absolutely rubbish at Japanese days and months. I can't tell the difference, but I'll try.

 

[Jozaca]

Toho listed Godzilla vs. Megaguirus as part of the same continuity as the original, but obviously Godzilla dies in the original while he survives in the GvM timeline. I just assume that in that timeline, Emiko never told Hideo about the Oxygen Destroyer.

With the Kiryu timeline, I just assume Godzilla's skeleton was taken by the ocean's current rather than disintegrated since that timeline continues from the original. It's an acceptable retcon.

I just heard that there is like a shot that is slightly edited when a flashback to Godzilla's death is shown that shows the skeleton remaining or something (I haven't seen the movie). It that is true I could just put the flashback in the part of the movie that it "replaces" and just put Godzilla (1954) in the viewing order.

 

[Jozaca]

I like to separate days when they are clearly not the same, even if there is not date given. Just in case that there is a microscopical chance that some future work some day would reveal more about the date, so it would be easier to edit all at once.

 

[Pro Bot]

Is Chouseishin Gransazer Part of the Kiryu Saga? - Toho Kingdom

Shinichi Chujo

Shinichi Chujo (中條 信一, Chūjō Shin'ichi) is a character portrayed by Hiroshi Koizumi in the 1961 Toho film Mothra. Koizumi reprised the role in the 2003 Godzilla film Godzilla: Tokyo SOS, which takes place in the same universe as Mothra. Prior to Tokyo SOS's release, he also cameoed as another...

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Is The Gransazers canon to the Kiryu series? Weird.

 

[Pro Bot]

Category:Ultra Star God Series

The Ultra Star God Series (超星神シリーズ, Chōseishin Shirīzu), also commonly referred to as the Chouseishin Series or the Super Star God Series, is a Japanese tokusatsu multimedia franchise primarily produced by Toho, TV Tokyo, and Yomiko Advertising which spanned from 2003 to 2006. It includes the...

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Damn. Probably best to ignore it for now since there's lots of Toho Kaiju timelines. It's another variant of the Toho universe I guess.

 

[Pro Bot]

I like to separate days when they are clearly not the same, even if there is not date given. Just in case that there is a microscopical chance that some future work some day would reveal more about the date, so it would be easier to edit all at once.

I personally don't like to do this because I think it looks a little messy, but alright. Here's my take on the King of the Monsters! film. The order of events are very different to the original, so certainly a different continuity rather than a sidestory like some people theorise. Honestly kinda a bastardization

Fun fact, the Earth-616 Godzilla first attacked in 1956 (King of the Monsters! release date) and was trapped in ice (Raids Again). Obviously neither are completely canon to Marvel though - plus, Raids was a different Godzilla anyway.

1956
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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 2 (0:05:12 - 0:06:39)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 3 (0:06:40 - 0:09:25)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 4 (0:09:26 - 0:10:52)

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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 4 (0:10:53 - 0:11:52)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 5 (0:11:53 - 0:14:03)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 6 (0:14:04 - 0:15:37)

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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 6 (0:15:38 - 0:18:19)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 7 (0:18:20 - 0:21:28)

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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 8 (0:21:29 - 0:25:18)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 9 (0:25:19 - 0:30:06)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 10 (0:30:07 - 0:32:08)
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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 11 (0:32:09 - 0:33:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 12 (0:33:58 - 0:36:33)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:02:58 - 1:04:24)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 12 (0:36:34 - 0:37:40)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 13 (0:37:41 - 0:40:28)

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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 13 (0:40:29 - 0:41:20)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 14 (0:41:21 - 0:45:41)

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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 15 (0:45:42 - 0:48:27)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 16 (0:48:28 - 0:53:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 17 (0:53:58 - 0:59:09)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 18 (0:59:10 - 1:01:24)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:02:30)
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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 1 (0:02:31 - 0:05:11)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:01:25 - 1:02:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:02:58 - 1:04:24) (Audio Only)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:04:25 - 1:04:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 20 (1:04:58 - 1:11:07)

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Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 21 (1:11:08 - 1:19:21)

King Kong Escapes
Canon to
-Godzilla Shōwa Era Universe
-Godzilla Kiryu Series Universe
Release Date
-1967/07/22
Placement Notes
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Other Notes
-It seems more like a reboot of King Kong (based in The King Kong Show) that doesn't seem to fit so nicely in the continuity, but the wiki says that Godzilla Encyclopedia [New Edition] places it in the Shōwa Universe.

The Gorosaurus appears in Destroy All Monsters after appearing in King Kong Escapes. King Kong is likely a smaller member of the same species that the version from King Kong vs. Godzilla was. The Gorosaurus also appeared in Go! Godman (as did the Kamoebas from Space Amoeba) but apparently that show isn't canon to anything else because they were just reusing the suits for it or something.

Toho is just weirdly selective for what "counts" as canon I guess.

 

[Jozaca]

The Gorosaurus appears in Destroy All Monsters after appearing in King Kong Escapes. King Kong is likely a smaller member of the same species that the version from King Kong vs. Godzilla was. The Gorosaurous also appeared in Go! Godman (as did the Kamoebas from Space Amoeba) but apparently that show isn't canon to anything else because they were just reusing the suits for it or something.

Toho is just weirdly selective for what "counts" as canon I guess.

Yes, Minilla also appears as a monster created by the villain that is destroyed or something in Go! Greenman

Go! Greenman

Go! Greenman (行け！グリーンマン, Ike! Gurīnman) is a Japanese tokusatsu show co-produced by Toho and Nippon TV that aired from November 12, 1973, to September 27, 1974. It is a followup series to Go! Godman, but the two series do not share canon with each other. A followup to this series was also...

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Seems that lots of things that are canon to the Kyriu series or to Destroy All Monters are just "the character originated in that movie, so must be canon" (but strangely doesn't seem to apply to Godzilla Final Wars).

 

[Pro Bot]

Do you want to continue this thread? Since I am not so interested in King Kong/Godzilla right now, I haven't really watched most of the movies yet and I am honestly not planning of spending around 180€ on the Criterion Collection on the foreseeable future.

Would you mind if I make a Showa thread myself and you can add it to this timeline afterwards? I'll add the breakdown of days for you as well so that it's consistent.

 

[Jozaca]

Would you mind if I make a Showa thread myself and you can add it to this timeline afterwards? I'll add the breakdown of days for you as well so that it's consistent.

If you do that, just do it as you usually do, I would just put a link to it as I have done with Megatron's Monsterverse Timeline

 

[Pro Bot]

Alright, but some films take place in two timelines is all. I don't mind doing those both ways to make it easier for you.

 

[Jozaca]

If you do that, just do it as you usually do, I would just put a link to it as I have done with Megatron's Monsterverse Timeline

Or I could copy the Monsterverse Timeline here and just transform this into a Multiverse Timeline and/or some short of Timeline Hub of Toho/King Kong Timelines

 

[Pro Bot]

I just realised something about the Heisei series.

Heisei Universe
Timeline 1
1954 - Godzilla
1984 - The Return of Godzilla
1989 - Godzilla vs. Biollante
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (Start)

Timeline 2
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora

Timeline 3
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (End)
1993 - Godzilla vs. Mothra
1994 - Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
1995 - Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
1996 - Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
2019 - G vs. G
2022 - Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
2023 - Godzilla vs. Megalon

So, technically the viewing order is:
Godzilla
The Return of Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Biollante
The Mysterians
Battle in Outer Space
Godzilla vs. King Ghidora
Godzilla vs. Mothra
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
G vs. G
Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
Godzilla vs. Megalon

 

[Jozaca]

I just realised something about the Heisei series.

Heisei Universe
Timeline 1
1954 - Godzilla
1984 - The Return of Godzilla
1989 - Godzilla vs. Biollante
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (Start)

Timeline 2
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora

Timeline 3
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (End)
1993 - Godzilla vs. Mothra
1994 - Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
1995 - Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
1996 - Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
2019 - G vs. G
2022 - Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
2023 - Godzilla vs. Megalon

So, technically the viewing order is:
Godzilla
The Return of Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Biollante
The Mysterians
Battle in Outer Space
Godzilla vs. King Ghidora
Godzilla vs. Mothra
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
G vs. G
Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
Godzilla vs. Megalon

I haven't seen the movie. I know there is time travel to the past and future. Does the movie imply that the events of the Mysterians only happened after the time travel?

 

[Pro Bot]

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla features MOGUERA, which was built from records of the 1957 Moguera according to Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla Super Complete Works, and since that movie takes place in an altered timeline, that technically means that the events of The Mysterians was created due to time travel in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

However, there's also the theory that there are no alternate timelines and it's a closed loop. It's kinda interesting because the events of the first three films still "happen", but the film makes it out to be three timelines so my take is that it is similar events from those films.

 

[Jozaca]

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla features MOGUERA, which was built from records of the 1957 Moguera according to Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla Super Complete Works, and since that movie takes place in an altered timeline, that technically means that the events of The Mysterians was created due to time travel in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

However, there's also the theory that there are no alternate timelines and it's a closed loop. It's kinda interesting because the events of the first three films still "happen", but the film makes it out to be three timelines so my take is that it is similar events from those films.

And cannot be that the events of The Mysterians happen in both timelines? After all they are alien invaders, so their appearance is not related to events on Earth, right? Or maybe they arrive with Moguera in both timelines but only in one the events of The Mysterians happen as we saw them.

Another question, considering that you seem very objective about this (like when you said that Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956) can't be a side story to Godzilla (1954)): I know it is not canon, but, there some possibility that the theory that says that the movie starts in the Showa Timeline and the Hensei Universe is created because the time travel is plausible? Or there is anything before the time travel that places it firmly in the Hensei Universe?

 

[Pro Bot]

And cannot be that the events of The Mysterians happen in both timelines? After all they are alien invaders, so their appearance is not related to events on Earth, right? Or maybe they arrive with Moguera in both timelines but only in one the events of The Mysterians happen as we saw them.

That's not how time travel works. If it branches, everything is different even if there's similar events. We can only prove that The Mysterians happened after GvKG, not before.

Another question, considering that you seem very objective about this (like when you said that Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956) can't be a side story to Godzilla (1954)): I know it is not canon, but, there some possibility that the theory that says that the movie starts in the Showa Timeline and the Hensei Universe is created because the time travel is plausible? Or there is anything before the time travel that places it firmly in the Hensei Universe?

Nope. Absolutely impossible. The before parts are already linked to the first three films.