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Pro Bot said:
Yeah. Welling and Rosenbaum still ain't getting that Smallville sequel, which is a shame.
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You know what I mean tho, like an animated film or a comic with a "DCU: Earth-Prime" label for Arrowverse stuff they couldn't tell on-screen due to budget, etc.

DCU itself is Earth-1, ofc, but the rest of the stuff can have other "Earth" labels added to it for Elseworlds stories.
 
Pro Bot said:
Uh... Creature Commandos literally sets up Rick Flag in Superman (2025). Even if they did have Robert in the DCU, Creature Commandos would still be canon, the Batman cameo would just be retconned into him. Is this just because it's a cartoon or something?
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Eh, after that IGN sitdown he did about "canon", I'm not sure Gunn is on the same page as the fans like us.
 
I mean, Creature Commandos is DCU canon. That's like saying that Star Wars: Rebels is a separate universe to Ashoka despite setting it up. Not only does Rick Flag appear in Superman, but Superman appears in Creature Commandos, and Peacemaker from Peacemaker S2 appears, as does Waller and Economos, plus it sets up Sgt. Rock and Clayface, and it's officially confirmed to be the same universe, and it's said that they'll use the same actors for the main cast when they appear in live-action, so...

There's no reality where The Batman is accepted as canon over Creature Commandos. Maybe it could be accepted alongside it, but definitely not over it. Creative Commandos is the first entry in the God and Monsters arc of the DCU.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Eh, after that IGN sitdown he did about "canon", I'm not sure Gunn is on the same page as the fans like us.
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I'm going to need elaboration, because I thought he was quite clear that DCEU events are only canon when mentioned, and only those specific details become canon. It becomes canon because it's referenced in the DCU, not because it's in The Suicide Squad/Peacemaker/Blue Beetle, which aren't canon.

Like, say, how the Guardians of the Galaxy cartoon loosely considers the 2014 film to have happened even though it's a different universe and that film isn't actually canon in it.
 
Pro Bot said:
That's like saying that Star Wars: Rebels is a separate universe to Ashoka despite setting it up.
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Different franchise = different "rules". Star Wars has a definitive canon that Disney has made explicit. There has been no IGN style interview where what is and isn't canon was discussed as malleably and jovially as this:



I agree Gunn is saying CC is "purely canon". But when asked if canon matters, Gunn says "None of this is real lol. What's canon can really be whatever you want to be canon."

I'm a PG-13 guy, so I don't count stuff like The Penguin, CC, The Suicid Squad, Birds Of Prey, Peacemaker, etc. in MY canon. And I'm glad Gunn understands that personal canon is just as valid as "official" canon since it's all FICTION!
 
Pro Bot said:
They still never explained the gap between Freedom Fighters: The Ray and Crisis on Earth-X. I just assumed time travel rewrites, just like with The Flash: Season Zero comic.
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I think that isn't even close to biggest loose ends from the Arrowverse.

Who was Manny and what were his plans for Zed and the Rising Darkness?

Was that Dr Phosphorus in Batwoman's final scene? Plus unanswered details like how did Alice & Mouse think they killed Cartwright and escape after blazing up his mum, plus who owned the Coryana map that got Joker involved to splatter him…

Is William Clayton just dead and Mia failed then lost an arm, also who the hell were those hooded figures and HOW did they get Cisco's memory ring-

Too much. It needs to be told in an anthology comic run.
 
A lot of the Arrowverse I could chalk up to the writers got too deep into that lore and whatever was on their mind 1.) would never be stated onscreen in a way that made sense and 2.) was too ambitious and grand for what was possible on a TV budget. Thus, character arcs and other elements suffered.

Transformers' Aligned "continuity" suffered this same fate. They thought they could tell their whole story without restrictions.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
I agree Gunn is saying CC is "purely canon". But when asked if canon matters, Gunn says "None of this is real lol. What's canon can really be whatever you want to be canon."

I'm a PG-13 guy, so I don't count stuff like The Penguin, CC, The Suicid Squad, Birds Of Prey, Peacemaker, etc. in MY canon. And I'm glad Gunn understands that personal canon is just as valid as "official" canon since it's all FICTION!
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In that case, probably don't try and devalue Creature Commandos' canon status if you know you're not technically correct.
 
Pro Bot said:
In that case, probably don't try and devalue Creature Commandos' canon status if you know you're not technically correct.
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Technically I am correct, because according to Gunn, canon is subjective (at least in regards to his DCU). So we are both correct.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Technically I am correct, because according to Gunn, canon is subjective (at least in regards to his DCU). So we are both correct.
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"Nothing, for sure, is canon unless you see it in Creature Commandos forward for the DCU." That's his legitimate answer from an objective point of view.

Then when asked if canon matters, he speaks about how it's all fake so you can "pretend" whatever you want. It's all fiction, you can pretend Greedo and Batman go on adventures together, you can.

Do you think that, if you were to say Greedo from Star Wars and Batman went on adventures together, you'd be just as correct as someone who says that Creature Commandos is objectively canon to the DCU? I don't think we are both correct, I think that because it's fiction, it doesn't matter if you have a crazy, insane head-canon because it's not real.
 
Pro Bot said:
"Nothing, for sure, is canon unless you see it in Creature Commandos forward for the DCU." That's his legitimate answer from an objective point of view.

Then when asked if canon matters, he speaks about how it's all fake so you can "pretend" whatever you want. It's all fiction, you can pretend Greedo and Batman go on adventures together, you can.

Do you think that, if you were to say Greedo from Star Wars and Batman went on adventures together, you'd be just as correct as someone who says that Creature Commandos is objectively canon to the DCU? I don't think we are both correct, I think that because it's fiction, it doesn't matter if you have a crazy, insane head-canon because it's not real.
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Exactly. It's ALL fiction so there is no "objective canon". My canon is just as valid as anyone else's, including Gunn and his writing team because it's, again, all fiction.
 
RoscoIsANinja said:
I think what Gunn was trying to say is that if you don't agree with his canon he doesn't care because it's all fiction anyway. However, he is trying to create a distinct canon for the DCU.
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Of course, and I agree. Fiction is fiction is fiction. Have fun with it. That's what I get from Gunn and I 100% agree.
 
Sounds like he's not shutting it down entirely but sort of distancing himself because he's only interested in his own stories right now. If it happens, it happens, but he was more like "oh, uh... I don't know about that" than a "I think it's possible, we'll see where it goes." Obviously both leave the possibility open but I get the impression that it's less likely than not going to happen. It'd be interesting if Pattinson fought Doctor Phosphorus before The Batman though lol.
 
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