Civil War series discussion (spoilers)

[E]

Anyone catch this from this week's Lying In The Gutters?

Gutteratti Richard Evans writes

"Marvel might be making Iron Man a villain. Has a major hero ever changed and kept his own series?

1. "Tony Stark is working with SHIELD on the Superhero Registration Act.
2. "He got Spider-Man on his side, for no other reason than to use him and have a powerful bodyguard who doesn't rely on technology.
3. "He hired a villain to attack the Senate while they were debating the SRA to push them to come to a decision.
4. "He has been upgraded to an almost inhuman level and is as much machine inside as outside.
5. "On Marvel's website, they have an entry for Nitro. It mentions that when Nitro fought Iron Man, Tony discovered a frequency that would cause Nitro to explode, Tony activates that frequency and causes Nitro to continually explode until he is too tired to keep fighting.

Tony Stark could have used his new powers to ignite Nitro from a distance. He could have even upgraded these villains the same way he upgraded Spider-Man.

"It would be a great big revelation if they did this, wouldn't it?"

 

[Victor Von Doom]

An interesting theory indeed. I don't know if I like the idea but as long as the story is good....I'm all for a little character change.

I'd really be suprised if the reason for the whole conflict and Tony's stance on the issue was the result of some mastermind-ish manipulating done by Tony in order to get more money via a big govt contract.

Imagine the govt trying to build an entire army of supersoldiers with Tony Stark supplying the tech and this entire incident with the kids and SRA was just a cover?

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

**** Tony was behind Secret War too?! :shock:

I'd need a halluva a reason for him to turn to the dark side but I'm for it.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

I still like the idea the Hill kills one of the rebels and Cap responds by assassinating Hill. Tony then steps in a the head of SHIELD.

 

[E]

I'd really be suprised if the reason for the whole conflict and Tony's stance on the issue was the result of some mastermind-ish manipulating done by Tony in order to get more money via a big govt contract.

Imagine the govt trying to build an entire army of supersoldiers with Tony Stark supplying the tech and this entire incident with the kids and SRA was just a cover?

Interesting indeed. I would like that if done correctly.

He'd be like a big corporation version of Kingpin.

 

[thatdandydinty]

This makes me frustrated. I love this story idea, except for the fact that I had developed the initial idea for this last august, and much of the earlier parts of my holocaust story, involved this storyline here.
http://www.ultimatecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3827

this quote for instance...

a young mutant with unstable powers has just reached puberty. the X-Factor gene awakens while in a densely populated school? federal building? i'm thinking something that has kids...lots of kids...easy for the media to sell it if it includes kids. His powers go erratic and he is assaulted by paranoid humans. Someone pulls a gun and shoots him which sets off a damn near nuclear explosion wiping out at least a city block. killing thousands

or...

The president declares marshal law under the control of General Nick Fury. Mutant terrorism starts to reach a high and Fury initiates a footnote of the Mutant Registration Act, and begins rounding up Mutants into holding cells.

or..

small escalation would give the world time to take more of a polarized view, siding on different ideologies. This war/destruction event has to be something big and quick, because it is a kicker, that is all this section is. the intial chicago thing is just there to get the ball rolling for the events of the holocaust to follow.

Captain America amidst all the turmoil begins to question the motives and methodology of the events that occur and is banished from the US, finding exile among the refugees on the Genoshan mainland.

dunno, just really frustrating that i started these ideas back on August 20th, with no knowledge as to this story. kinda cool, i guess, but more annoying because now i cant do it the way i wanted to.

 

[Shihad]

I'm all for Iron man becoming a villian, i kinda liked the evil iron man from marvel team up.
And i mean it will be a huge shock to everybody, as long as next year they don't say oh hes good again and 2nd in command of avengers

 

[ProjectX2]

I've been thinking of Iron Man going from hero to villain since that Spider-Man Civil War tie-in. It would be very interesting.

 

[Gadzookie]

man civil war is getting better and better lol

 

[the watcher]

I'm all for Iron man becoming a villian, i kinda liked the evil iron man from marvel team up.
And i mean it will be a huge shock to everybody, as long as next year they don't say oh hes good again and 2nd in command of avengers

What if it is? Maybe he escaped and locked our Tony away, and is lying in wait for the right moment to strike.

 

[ultimatedjf]

When does #2 come out?


(Heh. Read that sentence again.)




(I'm so immature.)

 

[Ice]

The 14th is when we'll see #2 on sale.

 

[MaxwellSmart]

I'm glad to hear were going to get more Civil War soon. It feels like issue one came out a long *** time ago.

 

[Shihad]

What if it is? Maybe he escaped and locked our Tony away, and is lying in wait for the right moment to strike.

Well in next couple of issues of marvel team up

Spoiler

it looks like he does escape, and if that is what is happening, it would be way to much simalar to Infinte Crisis....... with the Lex Luthors

Anyway here is a trailer with new stuff on Civil War issue 2

Spoiler

but it looks like we only get an extra 2 images if you've seen the Patriot Pictures else where

http://www.marvel.com/news/-1.464

 

[Random]

Just read issue 2 and I cant believe they actually did that... I cant wait for one thing out of this whole event, and thats how the hell they will retcon that.

 

[Dr.Strangefate]

Not exactly sure what you mean by that, Random, but todays issue was pretty damn amazing...

I especially enjoyed:

STATURE: What... What is this place?
CAP: S.H.I.E.L.D. Safe House Number Twenty-Three. One of Twenty-eight such places peppering the globle and only known to thirty-third-degree SHIELD officers.
HULKLING: And how many of them are there exactly?
CAP: Just Nick Fury.

And the ending... Woooie. And Jonah thought this was going to give him some ammunition against Spider-Man. Heh.

I think that Johnny is going to die, and Susan is going to leave Reed when that happens to join up with Captain America. Especially since this is supposedly going to shatter the original four.

I am curious as to what way this is going to ruin Peter's life... Because what's a Marvel event without Peter's life getting ruined? Here's what I think: Peter will turn to the other side, and since he's outed himself, SHIELD is going to come down on his *** and he's going to be a fugitive.

 

[Random]

I'm talkin about Spidey revealing his Identity, I know they'll retcon it, I just dont know how. I remember, was it Quesada, who was *****ing about Spidey being married, what about ending his secret identity?

 

[SSJmole]

I just saw on yahoo news about the spider-man unmasking thing. I think that is just dumb. So many things are wrong with unmasking him it's not funny. thats just my opinion and thought i would share it

 

[MaxwellSmart]

I just saw on yahoo news about the spider-man unmasking thing. I think that is just dumb. So many things are wrong with unmasking him it's not funny. thats just my opinion and thought i would share it

Yeah, well were not about "opinions" on this forum.

 

[Victor Von Doom]

Holy piss!!!! This issue was great. I mean like "Ultimates"-great.

Peter unmasking at the end was just :shock: ......and Jameson's reaction? Priceless.

Plus.....the more gratuitous butt-shots of She-Hulk the better.

 

[Ice]

Plus.....the more gratuitous butt-shots of She-Hulk the better.

DEFINETLY better then the huge opening butt-shot of Wolverine in X-Men. :sick:

 

[Victor Von Doom]

DEFINETLY better then the huge opening butt-shot of Wolverine in X-Men. :sick:

I thought you liked that?

I know they'll retcon it, I just dont know how.

Dr Strange will find Wanda and make her turn everything back the way it was before all the events of "Disassembled".

You laugh.....but how many times has Marvel copped-out like that?

 

[Ice]

I thought you liked that?

I'm still puking, dude.

Dr Strange will find Wanda and make her turn everything back the way it was before all the events of "Disassembled".

You laugh.....but how many times has Marvel copped-out like that?

I said before, but it's hard sometimes to tell if you're kidding or not.

If you're not:

Spoiler

It's going to be very hard to even find Wanda as she's not a mutant. And if she was found, I doubt that she'd get her powers back since I think everyone would want to avoid this whole mess from happening again.

So *IF* it is retconned, doubt it will be that way.


Now, if you are joking:

Spoiler

That was still hilarious.

:lol:

 

[Victor Von Doom]

I said before, but it's hard sometimes to tell if you're kidding or not.

A little fom column A.........a little from Column B.


But no....I am joking. But I just think that if they do retcon all this...it'll be something stupid like that.



Does anyone think that Nick Fury will return in wake of all this? Perhaps to join Cap's team?

 

[Fredrik Martinsson]

I don't think that Marvel will retcon Spider-Mans unmasking. At least not in the near future. Mostly because the build up (see Amazing Spider-Man 532 for example), the fan reactions and the media coverage that this has got.
But if they did it would probably be by one of those lame "Peter Parker and Spider-Man side-by-side sights" kind of thing.

Does anyone think that Nick Fury will return in wake of all this? Perhaps to join Cap's team?

I expect Fury to be the major force that ends the Civil War in the last issue.

 

[moonmaster]

I thought you liked that?




Dr Strange will find Wanda and make her turn everything back the way it was before all the events of "Disassembled".

You laugh.....but how many times has Marvel copped-out like that?

"No more 'Civil War'!"

 

[Random]

I thought you liked that?




Dr Strange will find Wanda and make her turn everything back the way it was before all the events of "Disassembled".

You laugh.....but how many times has Marvel copped-out like that?

Or when Superboy Prime hit reality it will go backj temporarily make some nobody spider-man instead of Peter Parker so now people will think its someone else

I dont know how and I dont know when, but Marvel will make it so this never happened

 

[Ice]

I dont know how and I dont know when, but Marvel will make it so this never happened

I HIGHLY doubt that. Quesada has said they don't do those kinds of things. Because then it was pointless to even do the story before it you're just going to make it so that it never happens at all. Their retcons aren't like that.

 

[Ultimate Quicksilver]

When it's not lucrative, they will change again, and believe me, they will find a way to retcon this too, it was great, but i like the masks much more, but then again i dont care about Spiderman.
Yay Young Avengers!

 

[Victor Von Doom]

I do find it ironic that Capt America now has to turn to the exact same people he told to hang up the costumes, for help.

Yay Young Avengers indeed.