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    Re: Ultimately cancelled?

    Quote Originally Posted by E View Post
    I didn't mean to boil it down that simply or to suggest any kind of insult in your tastes so I hope that you didn't feel like you had to explain or defend yourself. I was generalizing, but it's true that the kind of things you like, generally and for the most part, are "happy" stories. I also didn't mean to suggest there was anything wrong with that whatsoever. Different strokes for different folks.
    Don't worry, I wasn't offended and didn't feel insulted.

    To counter - those stories are definitely dark for the times they were written, no doubt, but compared to more current "dark" stories they are pretty tame. Still great stories and not reflective of what was going on in superhero books at the time, but pretty tame. I personally wouldn't put them in the same category, but I absolutely recognize what they meant at the time (particularly Gwen Stacy's death).
    Okay, fair enough. Maybe that's the niche I enjoy the most. I like the 60s through early 80s version of dark - although the Harry stuff I like is from the 90s. The books that "reinvented" comics in the 80s (Dark Knight Returns, the Killing Joke, and Watchmen) are the ones I really don't enjoy. I did like Miller's run on DD a lot, although Born Again was a little rough to get through in parts. But I still like it a lot.

    But maybe that's also why I don't love Superman in general. Maybe he's a little too bright. I don't know. The only Superman story I've ever loved was Birthright.

    I thought the same thing at first, especially when he takes Lois to the Fortress of Solitude early on, but it is a fun kind of weirdness and makes sense in context with what happens in issue 1. He gets exposed to massive amounts of sun and triples his strength, intelligence, curiosity, etc. - it makes total sense that the book would have triple the weirdness of any other Superman book.

    (Coincidentally I was reading the first couple of issues the other day and Superman's demeanor really struck me. There's a scene in #2 where Lois zaps him with a Kryptonite gun and he says something to the effect of "Mind if I just take that?" - I don't know what it is but his kind personality is so vivid there and perfectly exemplifies why I like the book.)

    I hate to sound like I'm trying to convince someone to like something, but knowing what you like and don't like it surprises me that you don't love it; that's all I was saying.
    I don't even remember what the story was about, so I really should try reading it again. But like I said, Superman has never been my favourite hero and Grant Morrison is pretty low on my list of writers.
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    Re: Ultimately cancelled?

    I don't like Superman. Before All Star, the only Superman story I ever liked was the Death and Return, and that's not typical of the kind of thing I like and I couldn't even tell you why I liked it.

    Superman, to me, is too easy of a character. He's invincible and can basically do anything. There's no conflict and his supporting cast is uninteresting to me.

    But after I read All Star I realized it's because basically no one had ever written him correctly or well up to that point. It's not (or shouldn't be) the kind of character that has to deal with conflict like Spider-Man or Fantastic Four, as they were originally conceived. It's more like he's a comfort character, for lack of a better term. He gives you hope; that kind of thing. The scene in #9 (or 10, somewhere around there) with Regan on the rooftop displays that perfectly. When it's done right it's extremely powerful. I like Spider-Man as a character better than Superman by far, but there isn't a Spider-Man story in existence that is anywhere as good as All Star Superman.

    Superman fans might read that and say, "well, duh" but before All Star Superman I had never read a Superman story that displayed anything close to that.

    As for Birthright, I'm sure I've read it at some point but as much as I like Mark Waid I must have found it completely unremarkable because i don't remember a thing about it.
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    Re: Ultimately cancelled?

    Quote Originally Posted by E View Post
    I don't like Superman. Before All Star, the only Superman story I ever liked was the Death and Return, and that's not typical of the kind of thing I like and I couldn't even tell you why I liked it.

    Superman, to me, is too easy of a character. He's invincible and can basically do anything. There's no conflict and his supporting cast is uninteresting to me.
    This… I mean it's always cool to flip thru some supes cuz they usually have the best artists and he's punching something into dust or some other eye-fryingly glorious thing on panel… but he bores me… but All-Star Superman is my all-time favorite superman story. It's just so damb good and… Genuine?
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