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    The Avengers by Jonathan Hickman discussion (spoliers)

    Gods on Mars.

    The Illuminati have done something to Captain America.

    Hyperion.

    The New Universe.

    The core Avengers captured.

    Assemble at dawn.
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    Re: The Avengers (Hickman) Discussion: Spoliers

    This was easily the most interesting issue of Avengers in years.
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    This was easily the most interesting issue of Avengers in years.
    It didn't feel like an Avengers book to me. It felt bigger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectX2 View Post
    This was easily the most interesting issue of Avengers in years.
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    It didn't feel like an Avengers book to me. It felt bigger.
    This was pretty amazing and special. It felt special. It felt like the opposite of whatever Avengers story we've been getting over the last few years. Something big and important.

    Lots of set up but I really enjoyed it. I am very intrigued and eager for the next issue.
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    I love Hickman's circles and symbols.

    I think this is the most pumped I've been over a Marvel comic since Brubaker took over Daredevil.
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    A couple questions, I obviously missed a bunch of background story, or I'm merely asking questions before we know the answers to any of them.

    Is this a version of Hyperion we have seen before, or do we know if this is? Also, was that AIM we saw at the beginning pulling him out of his universe?

    Who is Captain Universe this time around, or is she someone knew

    Any of these villains anyone we should know? They all seemed knew to me.

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    I didn't really know anything of what was mentioned in it, but I got that there were things that were cryptic I wasn't meant to get; all that stuff about Ex Nihilo and Hyperion and 'the fall' are setting the stage and scope of the series. They're clearly cryptic glimpses into the backstory and the future of the story.

    The one thing I didn't get was why the Avengers went after Ex Nihilo (whoever he his) and where they went. Was it Australia or Mars? On the second reading I got that they went to Mars because Ex Nihilo sent some terraforming bombs to Australia. This wasn't clear because we didn't actually see the bombs hit Australia. It happened off-page (which is a stupid mistake) and we didn't get any establishing shots of the settings they were in (which is also a stupid mistake) which made it more confusing than it needed to be, which is problematic as the damn thing is already crazy incoherent. I didn't have this problem with his FANTASTIC FOUR which spent it's first three issues keeping its focus rooted on Reed.

    I was also disappointed that clearly Hickman left THE ULTIMATES, took his ideas for that series, and has brought them over to THE AVENGERS. Ex Nihilo is so obviously Ultimate Reed I find it hard to be interested since that story ended with Tony Stark defeating a city with a brain tumour.

    We'll see, but I'm not impressed with the incoherence and repetitiousness so far.
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    Re: The Avengers (Hickman) Discussion: Spoliers

    I got a whole Ultimates feel with it as well.

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    I want the last page as a giant poster. Narration box, Avengers symbol and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Houde View Post
    I got a whole Ultimates feel with it as well.
    It felt like what Ultimates could have been (or should have been). We're so far removed from what Ultimates was that I can't even reconcile that in my mind.
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    After reading it again I think I can articulate what I like about it a little better.

    It feels like this is the middle of something important. And that is how the main Avengers book should be - the center of the whole universe with the biggest stories of the most importance. Hyperion being rescued from a dying universe seems big, important, and a precursor to something even bigger and more important, and this is the book in which something like that should happen. I don't think that has been the case with this team or book at least in all the time I've been reading comics.

    It might seem like that's a big conclusion to draw from one issue but that is just how it seems to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by E View Post
    After reading it again I think I can articulate what I like about it a little better.

    It feels like this is the middle of something important. And that is how the main Avengers book should be - the center of the whole universe with the biggest stories of the most importance. Hyperion being rescued from a dying universe seems big, important, and a precursor to something even bigger and more important, and this is the book in which something like that should happen. I don't think that has been the case with this team or book at least in all the time I've been reading comics.

    It might seem like that's a big conclusion to draw from one issue but that is just how it seems to be.
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    Also agreed - 100%

    Hickman doesn't spoon feed.
    This issue additionally felt to me like a "You'd better be paying attention" issue - Hickman is going to put a LOT of thought into every aspect of his comics (from story to character to graphic design and layout). He challenges the reader to make HIS comic be YOUR comic.

    Given my feeling from past Hickman (Nightly News and Pax Romana), and in particular past Hickman SF (Red Mass for Mars), as well as current Hickman (the amazing Manhattan Projects), Avengers won't be a book you can expect to read on autopilot anymore.

    I liked the first issue, and will continue buying - I'm hopeful that his style will be a good fit for a brand that I've always liked in theory, but rarely enjoyed in recent practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fenway View Post
    Hickman doesn't spoon feed.
    This issue additionally felt to me like a "You'd better be paying attention" issue
    Yes. That's it exactly. Well put.

    If you've read his Fantastic Four (and if not, I HIGHLY recommend it) you saw how he set that up early for a huge story over a long period of time - this is the same kind of feeling, but after only one issue.

    I'm really excited for this, and I'm glad that NOW hasn't been the unmitigated disaster I expected it to be.
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    Re: The Avengers (Hickman) Discussion: Spoliers

    I've gotten kind of snobby about reading independent comics lately... and about hating on the big 2. Given that Hickman is writing Avengers, I think I'm going to have to send some money back their way.

    I read some Secret Warriors and enjoyed it. I didn't read all of SHIELD - Those seemed admittedly good, but not the 'signature' Hickman I've seen on other labels (or, to be fair, maybe I wasn't yet fully acquainted with that signature). For that reason, I didn't read FF, but on the strength of this issue, and given our (E) similar feelings and your recommendation, I'm going to have to get his run on that title in some form (maybe digital so its all collected)

    Thanks for the post, because I was kind of on the fence about checking FF out - can you give me any direction? By that I mean that I think FF and Fantastic Four, both by Hickman, were two different titles... did they run at the same time? I guess I'm looking for the best reading order.

    Thanks in advance!

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